The plastic is (not so) great!

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The plastic is (not so) great!




by Christophe » 05/11/10, 16:20

2 report broadcast in less than 24h on plastic drifts.

They point to the misdeeds of plastics and not just the environmental pollution they create when they are not collected or treated ...

The main (potential) health problems relate to migrations in the contents of the catalysts of the containers (antimony trioxide in PET and the famous bisphenol A in polycarbonates). These pose grievous problems (especially on male reproduction) past a certain concentration ...

But apparently, on PET, the concentration "migrated" in the product rarely exceeds the standards ...

About Bisphenol A, one of 2 reportage talks about a global production of 3 Million tons per year, 0.5 kg per capita per year ... knowing that a lot of humans do not consume PC, for a catalyst it seems pretty huge ... For example: at home, we should not use more than 1kg PET plastic bottle per year ...

Then I still did not understand what a female hormone was doing in a plastic ...

The 2 reports in question are the following, and we can see them on the net in full:

a) Question on the front page (it was an 2009 redif): Why do we eat plastic?

http://www.rtbf.be/video/v_questions-a- ... egory=info

There is the archive of the show here: http://blogrtbf.typepad.com/qalu/videos.html

b) Special Envoy: A bottle in troubled waters

Jennifer Deschamps and Jean-Marc Nouck Nouck

Can we consume with closed eyes, water packaged in plastic bottles? Scientists are sounding the alarm, the plastic not only pollutes but could harm health.


http://envoye-special.france2.fr/index- ... rique=1781

https://www.econologie.com/bioplastique ... outeilles/

See also: waste-and-recycling / plastic-curse-t9120.html
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by dedeleco » 05/11/10, 16:57

These softeners of plastics and other products released into water are fixed on homonal receptors like hormones and some US lakes have practically only female fish !!

It is a horror even with traces on the testicles of animal and human fetuses, disturbed with diseases 30 years later, like cancer.

There is everywhere, tin can, packaging, etc .. because innocent product allowed !!!!!.

Take plastic soft stoppers for chemistry flasks put in a hard plexiglass drawer and 6 months after the plastic softener has migrated to the plexiglass that becomes all soft, like the stopper, which makes a hole in the drawer!
I have been doing this experiment since 40 years unintentionally storing corks without understanding, except when there is 15ansan I heard about these junk !!
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by chatelot16 » 05/11/10, 17:35

bioplastic ??? another annerie to drown fish: the problem is dangerous additives

some plastic such as polyethylene can be used pure without additive: it is therefore a naturally clean plastic ... it falls well we made the water pipes

another plastic, pvc is rigid if it is pure ... to make it flexible it is necessary to mix a plasticizer (for example phthalate) and this plasticizer does not finish to resort and to polute everything ... there is different plasticizer more or less toxic ... as always it is the least dangerous the most expensive ... the migration of plasticizer depand liquid: for example flexible pvc food pipe for water is not for oil: the food oil dissolves the plasticizer at full speed: it is noticed because the pipe becomes rigid: if the pipe becomes rigid again it is that all the plasticizer is in the oil

I have heard in a documentary passed many times on Fr3 a long time ago a history of nonylphenol, an additive for some plastic, which made the crocodile turn female, because this molecule resembles too closely a certain hormone. I still do not know for what plastic it is used ... everything I know and that I saw a label nonylphenol on 200litre was passing to the scrap ...

LACK OF INFORMATION IS SERIOUS!
you never know or are the real danger ... some go away against products without real danger, while you get rotten by products that could easily be avoided by choosing the right plastic

We are made to know by history of BIOPLASTIC! in the biobased PET genus: that is to say completely identical to the normal PET except that the ethylene glycol that is used to make it is of biological origin: it's absurd! it does not change the catalyst that is the problem
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by dedeleco » 05/11/10, 18:09

nonylphenol, and others, there is plenty of information on the internet, and elsewhere, scientific articles, but apart from a few green fanatics despised, no one reads and even less acts!
The lobbies have dismissed some even at the CNRS for glycol ethers!
Result it takes 10 20 years for it to appear in the press!

See EWG the choice of US and greenpeace and many other scientists !!
http://www.ewg.org/
http://www.ewg.org/Health-Tips
http://www.ewg.org/bpa/tipstoavoidbpa
http://www.ewg.org/node/27316

type nonylphenol on google

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonylph%C3%A9nol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonylphenol

Acevedo and his team showedhez the mouse [10] have that nonylphenol significantly increases the risk of breast cancer (here for 30 mg · kg-1 of nonylphenol once a day in food during 32 weeks .....
NPEs are synthesized for their surfactant properties that allow better dispersion of liquids and miscibility of certain substances such as oil and water. Thus, they are widely used in the industry. The textile industry employs them as wetting agent, dispersants, emulsifiers or as detergents. They are also used in paints, [5] pulp production, paper processing, metal processing, oil extraction and production as well as in certain flocculants, biocides, retention agents, and even cosmetics such as shampoos and some household cleaners[6]. This indicates that NPEs are present in individuals in large quantities.

and in the Review of Nature an article demonstrates that theThis cancer is a modern fabrication, which existed very little of the time of the pharaohs!
See on econology the reference that I gave !!
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by Christophe » 05/11/10, 19:33

I see that the debate is off to a good start : Cheesy: : Idea:
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by dedeleco » 05/11/10, 21:52

Like fire with dry wood, like the frustrations of everything we swallow, breathes and penetrates our bodies even through the skin, the debate goes very fast !!
If I search in my computer, there are a lot of pages !!
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by jlt22 » 06/11/10, 00:13

Christophe, I wanted to watch the video: front page question: "why do we eat plastic?",
it starts with an ad, then a panel appears:

"This video is not or no longer available.
It is also possible that his reading is not
permitted in your country. "


I guess it contained very interesting info.
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by Christophe » 06/11/10, 12:39

A) Ah thin I did not know that the RTBF geolocated ... Well, too bad, that of Special Envoy is visible not all ... and there are some redundancies ...

Otherwise the other is maybe on youtube or other ... to check

B) I just came across a Cniid info: https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... rTvSha.pdf

"Bottled water: the great comeback of ideological advertising" - January 7, 2010 -

(...)

The manipulative message conveyed by the Cristaline advertising campaign aims to worry the consumer by denigrating the quality of the tap water. The "game" of 7 families broadcast in water packs is a scandalous means of propaganda targeting primarily children. According to Clara Osadtchy of Acting for the Environment,
"Cristaline once again adopts an openly controversial strategy to ensure its promotion. This "game" is a bunch of skewed assertions and political-advertising claims. Under cover of "play," Cristaline seeks to convey an ideological discourse! For Bruno Genty of France Nature Environnement, "while sales of bottled water have been dropping
years, some companies maintain a manipulative communication denigrating a good and a public service to defend their private interests ".

(...)

The financial resources used by the companies for their advertising would be much more effective if they were used for actions to prevent the quality of raw water! And here the stakes are considerable: restoration of the purifying functionalities of the natural environments (river basins of the rivers and the aquatic environment) and effectiveness of actions of protection of the water resources.


http://cniid.org/index.php?option=com_c ... &Itemid=29
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by quartz » 16/11/10, 11:54

Hello everybody :D

Here is a link, on the conversion of plastic into oil!
As Christophe points out it's been quite a while we're talking about it but nothing conclusive in the trade,
Let's hope that this time is the right one.
If we could use to proceed to recycle the island of plastic in the middle of the Atlantic ....
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by Christophe » 16/11/10, 12:07

Yes, it's been a while since we talk about it ...

This had been one of the very first topics of the forum ... of 2004: https://www.econologie.com/forums/l-inde-pou ... vt118.html

It seems to me that Autoplus had spoken about it in 2006 (German method).

The big problem after autoplus is the smell (and pollution?) Of the fuel obtained, so that it can only be used in industry ... and in this case also burn directly. In addition it was diesel and new diesel are very sensitive to the quality of fuel.

Maybe the japs ​​have managed to improve this point?

ps: put in the new forum English https://www.econologie.com/forums/plastic-wa ... 10162.html
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