Complete file on rainwater recovery

Work concerning plumbing or sanitary water (hot, cold, clean or used). Management, access and use of water at home: drilling, pumping, wells, distribution network, treatment, sanitation, rainwater recovery. Recovery, filtration, depollution, storage processes. Repair of water pumps. Manage, use and save water, desalination and desalination, pollution and water ...
User avatar
Philippe Schutt
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 1611
Registration: 25/12/05, 18:03
Location: Alsace
x 33




by Philippe Schutt » 25/02/08, 08:32

it's weird,
for me, minerals are inorganic by nature and the body assimilates them very well since they are necessary.
little pierrot, I'm afraid you’ve read the sellers' ad too much. : Lol:

at 8000 € + the rental of a 2nd meter, I prefer to buy a filter jug ​​to improve the taste of the water, quite simply.
0 x
little sparrow
Éconologue good!
Éconologue good!
posts: 214
Registration: 30/09/06, 21:23
Location: South West




by little sparrow » 25/02/08, 10:57

Bonjour,

We would lose money and we would have health risks ...

miscalculation again ...
to the wallet, you're right ..
but in terms of water quality, I take more risks on my health with the water in my network than with my rainwater.
in the long term .. it is calculated differently .. !!
and the prices that I specified are not to be added eh ... it is one OR the other according to type and quality of the filter ...

another detail ...
independence ... in 10 years ... i think i will be able to estimate it much better than you think (or design) now ...
but again ...
you have to take everything into account .. and especially not just stick to the cost of the filter or other ...
but a profitability or depreciation calculation will never be exact or precise ..., because there are aspects that cannot be quantified ...


Well, there must be two of us who are badly informed

what a wonder it would be if it were only 2 .....! :D

it's weird,
for me, minerals are inorganic by nature and the body assimilates them very well since they are necessary.

biology is unfortunately not as simple ...
but I'm not a biologist myself, so I'm not going to give myself some crappy explanations .. I leave that to "those who know" .. :D
but at least know that we get all the minerals and EO in the food .. !! , and not in the water .. !!
(and make the difference between "heterotrophic organism" and "autotrophic organism" ...!)

little pierrot, I'm afraid you’ve read the sellers' ad too much.

hooo, absolutely not ..! , calm down .. !

at € 8000 + the rental of a second meter,

attention that there I was talking about my install in complete autonomy .. !!
and I don't see why you are talking about 2nd rental meter ..! ?? , just install a small divisional counter that you find everywhere ... !!!!

cordially
0 x
well hello to you !! ...
User avatar
loop
Grand Econologue
Grand Econologue
posts: 816
Registration: 03/10/07, 06:33
Location: Picardie




by loop » 25/02/08, 12:26

Hello

Here is an extract from a forum who should react

Water from the public network must meet the drinking conditions defined by the regulations. In this case, it is not advisable to use household treatment systems but rather to regularly take note of the level of potability of the water distributed in order to be able to react quickly.

In the case of water from a private source, domestic treatments can be installed. Although UFC-Que Choisir has not specifically tested reverse osmosis units, we can warn you of the risks arising from these treatments. Indeed, they can cause the rejection of toxic compounds (nitrites, etc.) as well as the development of harmful or even fatal bacteria. In addition, the reverse osmosis filters all the elements of the water, including the mineral salts, which represents a loss of nutritional quality. Finally, the water consumption required is 3 to 4 liters for 1 liter of purified water!

At a minimum, it is imperative to:
- circulate the water regularly to avoid clogging the filter;
- purge the system a few seconds before each use;
- consume purified water quickly to avoid stagnation in the absence of chlorine;
- regularly change the filter on your device;
- observe the instructions for use.
Our association now invites you to inform yourself as much as possible of the risks involved and the strict conditions to be observed for the use of your reverse osmosis unit.



source:

http://forum.quechoisir.org/user/non-fr ... &pn=1&ib=Y

A+
0 x
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79364
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11060




by Christophe » 25/02/08, 12:40

little sparrow wrote:but in terms of water quality, I take more risks on my health with the water in my network than with my rainwater .. in the long term .. it is calculated differently .. !!


2 things:

a) at your home maybe the mains water is rotten (I knew that in Strasbourg but especially in southern Brittany in Guérande, the water was chlorinated almost like a swimming pool !!!) but it is not the case of all regions. Where we live (Ardennes) it is excellent!

b) nothing prevents you from putting the filters on the network water ... which will anyway be "cleaner" than that of your tank ...

little sparrow wrote:another detail ...
independence ... in 10 years ... I think I will be able to estimate it much better than you think (or design) now ... (...)
but a profitability or depreciation calculation will never be exact or precise ..., because there are aspects that cannot be quantified


We are dependent on the network ok but you are dependent on the seller of filter cartridges and obviously the weather ... Yes, health is priceless ...

If I understood correctly: you have a 30L tank and you are completely cut off from the water network? Can you give us a little photo report? Your site is restrained ... too bad ...
0 x
User avatar
loop
Grand Econologue
Grand Econologue
posts: 816
Registration: 03/10/07, 06:33
Location: Picardie




by loop » 25/02/08, 21:19

Bonsoir

Below a very interesting link on the comparison of rainwater / tap water

some mouth watering extracts : Cheesy:


In fact, in most cases, the water to be distributed is pumped from a well, a collection gallery or surface water. To be distributed, it requires more or less heavy and expensive treatments. As for the energy balance of the operation, we accept as an average value one kilowatt-hour of electrical energy expended per cubic meter of water distributed. The energy required to pump a cubic meter of water from a tank is only a fraction of this value. That said, it is quite obvious that a comparative eco-balance is a study that remains to be done.



At one of his conferences, the director of a distributing company affirmed that never had quantities of heavy metals as high in distribution water as those I had measured in city water. Mons, questioning my competence or my scientific honesty. I have, in fact, measured 25 times more zinc in the city water of Mons than in the water of a series of tanks. We can still doubt the results of a researcher, but much less those obtained by a team during a study spread over several years made in an official laboratory of the state. In fact, in the laboratory of the CSTC (Center Scientifique et Technique de la Construction), in Belgium, we measured up to 11.900 µg / l of zinc in tap water at the outlet of the consumer's tap, and up to at 130 µg / l in rainwater tanks. The ratio observed was similar for copper. (Ref .: K. De Cuyper and K. Dinneg, The quality of water from the tap. Tribune de l'eau, n ° 268/2, March-April 1994, pages 35-42)



Full article


http://www.eautarcie.com/Eautarcie/1.In ... on_eau.htm

A+
0 x
little sparrow
Éconologue good!
Éconologue good!
posts: 214
Registration: 30/09/06, 21:23
Location: South West




by little sparrow » 26/02/08, 09:26

Bonjour,

I know this "study" of UFC Que Choisir ...
but I do not know on the other hand the "scientific relevance" of the information available to Que Choisir to write this type of article ...
for another "vision" of the thing, I invite you to wait until May, for the release of a big and serious book by a specialist in reverse osmosis ...
to be continued ...

(anyway, reverse osmosis has always been the subject of debate, has always created controversy, and it will continue ... alas ..., but what bothers me the most is that 9 / 10ths of the time, it is denigrated or criticized by people who have not studied the problem and who advance "misconceptions" rather than scientifically or technically relevant arguments ...., but that is not new either.)

a) at your home maybe the mains water is rotten (I knew that in Strasbourg but especially in southern Brittany in Guérande, the water was chlorinated almost like a swimming pool !!!) but it is not the case of all regions. Where we live (Ardennes) it is excellent!

no, my mains water is neither more rotten nor even more expensive than elsewhere .. !!
but it is chlorinated (!!), and more "polluted" than my filtered rainwater ... that's all ... !! (but it's already too much !!)

b) nothing prevents you from putting the filters on the network water ... which will anyway be "cleaner" than that of your tank ...

for quality equivalence, I should use osmosis, with mains water ... (only way to obtain a biocompatible quality!)
but my choice remains in priority on rainwater ...
as for the quality of the water "of my tank" ... you would be well seized to see the analyzes that I have ... hey hey ...
(in physico-chemical and heavy metals, without treatment it already complies with drinking standards for the ten parameters sought ...!)
which also means that my "raw" rainwater is already of better quality than "raw" (underground) water which is used for public drinking water ...
(ex. 5 X less nitrates in my "raw" rainwater than in my tap ... !!)
> it’s weird, whereas I am always harping on my ears claiming that rainwater is more polluted in the atmosphere than in the basement ..... !!

We are dependent on the network ok but you are dependent on the seller of filter cartridges and of course the weather ...

if you want ...
but I know where the limits are .. of this dependence ...
which does not bother me in any way, nor worry me too much ...

If I understood correctly: you have a 30L tank and you are completely cut off from the water network? Can you give us a little photo report? Your site is restrained ... too bad ...

I am not "cut off" from the network, because I must (unfortunately) keep public water for my lodging.
all the photos are available on my 2 sites ...
and how would my site be "restricted" .. ???
what do you mean by "bridled" .. !! ??
: Shock:

cordially
0 x
well hello to you !! ...
SCO74
I discovered econologic
I discovered econologic
posts: 1
Registration: 27/11/13, 15:01

Re: Complete file on rainwater recovery




by SCO74 » 27/11/13, 15:25

They talk about financing but by no means economic profitability ... in certain regions I doubt that it will be profitable (especially in renovation) ...


Except that it will become almost mandatory with a tax being prepared on tarmac surfaces and an exemption if there is a rainwater recovery system in place.
http://www.recuperateurdepluie.fr/actua ... bligatoire
0 x
the boulle
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 519
Registration: 02/12/08, 20:44
x 12




by the boulle » 27/11/13, 18:54

we have been collecting rainwater for 4 years, a 6000l flexible tank (in the shade inside (army service)), a pump at 50 € a getion on / off for the pump 55 €
a coarse filter at the entrance to the tank, no filter at the outlet, (no trees around) 400m² of roof, the only tap on running water and cold water in the kitchen. last reading, for 6 months 3 m3 :P .

there are more expensive subscriptions than consumption (we calculated his pay for bottled water for the period)

the catch, the frost in winter ...

the overflow of the tank goes to the sewer or to fill the pool ....

the pump has blown 1 time (due to frost) no significant difference in electricity.

we are a family of 8, we manage the laundry according to the weather ...
less detergent in the washing machine ... no salt in the dishwasher.

no anti-limescale, WC or bathroom ...

it is one of the best investment i have made.
:P :P
0 x
swallowtail
I understand econologic
I understand econologic
posts: 77
Registration: 25/01/09, 00:11




by swallowtail » 27/11/13, 22:12

Hi everybody,
I dig up the wire like the ball !!!!

I am quite surprised by the reading of the post dating from 2008, ...... and I hope that christophe, looping (hi by the way), etc. have revised their position since ???? in view of some independent studies. .. except influence of distributor lobbying (Lyonnaise des Eaux, EDS, etc.)

Completely agree with ptitpierrot, and the ball that has studied the issue well.
Like him I am also independent (4 years) in water.
We have exclusively rainwater , ensuring our needs for:
drinking water, kitchen, shower, bath, vegetable watering, swimming pond ....... toilets dry obviously !!!!!!

Our average monthly consumption is around 2500L, and a reserve of 14000L (2000 €) ensures total autonomy, even during the 3 months of summer yet completely dry !!!

Filtration system for 200 €:
domestic water 25µ + 5µ + Coal followed by: Coal + 0,4µ carbonite for drinking water

for minerals !!
are only assimilable by the body, ONLY minerals in Chelated form, ie associated with a protein (minerals in organic form) that we find in our diet (vegetables, fruits, etc.) therefore:
the minerals of "mineral waters", you piss them directly into your basins, even if you have paid for them at the price of gold by buying them in bottles ....


"vichy st yorre, the most mineral water in France !!" .... the most toxic ... yes
indeed, a strongly mineralized water (> 20mg / L) overloads the kidneys ....

all independent studies show that rainwater is still the least polluted water compared to drilling water, runoff, water table, source, etc.
and the astonishing distortions in the network water analysis results, depending on whether they are ordered by the distributor, or an independent laboratory ???

Finally, I cannot highly recommend the visit of
http://www.eautarcie.org/

the demineralized swallowtail !!!
0 x

Go back to “Water management, plumbing and sanitation. Pumping, drilling, filtration, wells, recovery ... "

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 69 guests