Cholet bus: water-dieze a "new" fuel

[martien007]

incredible: heard 5 minutes ago in FR2's newscast =>

Cholet buses have been running for 7 years with original fuel without any modification to the engine !!!

This fuel consists of
a) diesel: 90%,
b) water: 9%
c) and an additive (what?) so that the emulsion remains stable: 1%.

This fuel is also used in other countries (Italy I think) ....

The engines resist very well since some have + several hundreds of thousands of kms. We can refuel when we want and go back to the water also ... amazing isn't it?

We must review this report:

http://jt.france2.fr/13h/

listen:

Public transport: an interesting initiative in Cholet 13h23m05s

Is there anything to do with pantone?

PS; it would surprise me that it works with high pressure Hdi engines, because it seems that the slightest drop of water in the diesel and it is guaranteed breakage (pump?, injectors ... etc) and a big bill garage owner on arrival

[tigrou_838]

that would not be the diester, the proportions are the same.

[martien007]

that would not be the diester, the proportions are the same.

No no.

It is a mixture manufactured by the user before putting it in its tank.

This is what the common transport and sports company of Cholet (I believe) has been doing for several years. they have a lot of perspective on the effects of this mixture on the engines.

Wait tonight, you can watch the report on the FR2 website.

I will listen to it again because I did not follow well; they did not give details on the composition of the additive.

[Christophe]

I haven't watched the newscast, but wouldn't water be your additive by any chance? So Aquazole "quite simply"?

Especially when we talk about stability and emulsion ...

Also called white diesel ...

Are you on the title "eaudiese" ????

[martien007]

I haven't watched the newscast, but wouldn't water be your additive by any chance? So Aquazole "quite simply"?

Especially when we talk about stability and emulsion ...

Also called white diesel ...

Are you on the title "eaudiese" ????

90% diesel + 9% water + 1% additive (so that the water and diesel mix well); it may be white diesel.

Have a look on the FR2 website, the news is available:

We must review this report:

http://jt.france2.fr/13h/

listen:
Public transport: an interesting initiative in Cholet 13h23m05s

[Remundo]

Moué, mainly diesel, otherwise the bus would not go far, unless pushing passengers

[Christophe]

Ah sorry it's my fault I did not see that you were talking about water in the 1st post.

I put it in shape. It's clearer now I think!

It is therefore white gas oil (or an equivalent) which is also used by the Bordeaux community!

See: https://www.econologie.com/forums/le-gasoil- ... t1234.html also called GECAM https://www.econologie.com/forums/carte-de-l ... t5978.html

It will (finally) have a good time for all the conn ** ds who spit on water doping ... except that doping is even more efficient (and not necessarily more expensive: it is necessary to import GECAM from Italy apparently) ... maybe in 10 years by the industrialists?

For those who don't want to wait: https://www.econologie.com/synthese-des- ... -3588.html

[martien007]

michelm wrote this in 2005:

Posted on: Mon, 28 Nov 2005, 14:32 Post subject:

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Hello
There is (still?) Aquazol used for buses for example:
"Aquazol
Alternative fuel formed from a homogeneous emulsion: 13% water + 85% diesel. It is stabilized by a set of non-toxic organic and petroleum additives (2 to 3%) which allow good preservation of the physico-chemical characteristics of the product throughout its industrial cycle.
Use and advantage: no investment, reduces the nitrogen oxide content, reduces particles and reduces the opacity of the fumes.(air treatment)"
But the problem remains the life of this emulsion ...
Michel

As he says: "shelf life of the emulsion?". For buses that run a lot, this is not a problem, probably more for a vehicle that runs little.

[Christophe]

Good remarks always relevant!

I agree it is surely for this reason that it is only offered in the captive fleet where we know precisely the consumption (no prolonged storage whether in tanks or tanks) !

I have a friend who works at the CTS (ubrains transports de Strasbourg) I could ask him if it tells him anything.

By cons in Strasbourg the policy is different: we have been renewing for 10 years now 100% CNG ... that is to say that an old diesel bus at the end of its life is replaced by a new CNG bus.

So the diesel will eventually disappear from the Strasbourg park.

[martien007]

no problem !!!!!