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by I Citro » 10/03/09, 13:03

Christophe wrote:It's frankly huge this MEC5, The MCE5 killer of the hybrid and electric car? In my opinion: yes! But in the medium term (economic reasons), nothing precludes a hybrid MCE5 a priori ...

Once again we are shown a protopipo. : Evil:
We divide by 3 the engine, power, torque of this engine and we will have something that can be made much more profitable by manufacturers ...

Do we need 200ch? : Evil:
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by Christophe » 10/03/09, 13:54

No citro, it is not a protopipo there, at least much less than the Renault ZE with neon windows!

And you know me: the pipos generally I know how to feel them ...

Check out the video of this link: https://www.econologie.com/forums/mce-5-le-m ... t7283.html

If all the information announced is true (and I think so) MCE-5 can be industrialized VERY quickly if ... "they" want it ...

The cost of an 4L VCR is less than a V6 with the same performance and has nothing to do with a much more expensive hybrid engine!

Only downside: the reliability of the MCE remains to be proven (1500h bench is nothing at all).

So VCR series engines before 2010? Frankly I believe ... now it does not mean that the VCR will be mounted on all ranges including entry-level ... to start.

But remember the Logan: she is now equipped with a dCi, who would have thought?
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by Woodcutter » 10/03/09, 14:17

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Christophe wrote:It's frankly huge this MEC5, The MCE5 killer of the hybrid and electric car? In my opinion: yes! But in the medium term (economic reasons), nothing precludes a hybrid MCE5 a priori ...

Once again we are shown a protopipo. : Evil:
We divide by 3 the engine, power, torque of this engine and we will have something that can be made much more profitable by manufacturers ...

Do we need 200ch? : Evil:
It is not a protopipo, it is an "industrial demonstrator" which was built by reflecting on all the phases of industrialization BEFORE its assembly. This phase is therefore no longer to be done and, as Tof emphasizes, all that is missing is long-term tests (and the classic tests of manufacturers: Valley of Death, Lapland, etc.) so that it can be integrated into a range. In 2 years, it can be done if the will is there (will it be? Another question ... :| )

But I agree with you that I would have appreciated that this demonstrator is, for example, a small 3 800 cylinder cm3 providing 110 ch and consuming less than 3 liters in a box of 407 ...

Two possible reasons for it being a powerful engine:
- this is a request from the Peugeot "partner" to be able to fit it in "large" vehicles generating much more comfortable margins where it can be "oversold" while it does not cost more than a conventional engine,
- this technology is much less efficient on very small engines and / or its price differential is much greater than with a "large engine equivalent" (here a 6 l V3).
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by Christophe » 10/03/09, 14:34

Woodcutter wrote:It is not a protopipo, it is an "industrial demonstrator" which was built by reflecting on all the phases of industrialization BEFORE its assembly. This phase is therefore no longer to be done and, as Tof emphasizes, all that is missing is long-term tests (and the classic tests of manufacturers: Valley of Death, Lapland, etc.) so that it can be integrated into a range. In 2 years, it can be done if the will is there (will it be? Another question ... :| )


+ 10! Especially on the last question!

Woodcutter wrote:Two possible reasons for it being a powerful engine:
- this is a request from the Peugeot "partner" to be able to fit it in "large" vehicles generating much more comfortable margins where it can be "oversold" while it does not cost more than a conventional engine,
- this technology is much less efficient on very small engines and / or its price differential is much greater than with a "large engine equivalent" (here a 6 l V3).


All the "big" innovations first go through medium or high-end vehicles. This is the law of market penetration.

Example: on the 2009 range of Bmw, from the 5 series, so 40 000 € basic price, you can take optional head-up and infrared camera (night obstacles). There is a good chance that in 10 years it will be optional on 80% of the cars at all manufacturers ... well, except at tata obviously, but they may have disc brakes by then : Cheesy:
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by Remundo » 21/03/09, 17:31

Hello friends,

I read that on motor Nature
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Toyota was spoiled for choice, he chose Strasbourg. Alsatians are lucky!

The presentation of the Prius 3 had been accompanied by a new secondary, the announcement of a test program for a special version of this new generation of Prius, a rechargeable version. We knew that this version would be tested both in Japan and the United States and in Europe, we learn that it is the region of Strasbourg which will have the privilege of hosting the test for the European continent.

Significantly different from the serial Prius, ( : Lol: : Cheesy: :P ) these cars will have batteries of greater capacity, but not yet specified, and superior technology, since Lithium-Ion while the serial Prius stick to the NiMH, and finally they will be equipped with a charger to be able to connect to the mains.

As part of the partnership with EDF initiated in September 2007, these cars will not be available to private customers. They will not be available for sale, but only for renting, contracts reserved for companies and institutional partners in the Strasbourg region.


This experience is done with the full support of public authorities, while for EDF, it is a way of experimenting with a new technology of charging stations. Several hundred indeed, would be installed in the premises of partner companies or on public roads. In addition, it will be smart terminals.

They will not only deliver electricity, they will also identify the connected car, and collect data for later billing. It would therefore seem that we will not be able to buy energy anonymously as we do with gasoline ... But considering that it will be cars for professional use, it is not embarrassing. The experience will begin at the end of the year, with 100 cars, it is scheduled to last 3 years.
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Everything is there ! Non-standard charging stations, flicage and lease agreement galore ...

As for saying that the rechargeable Prius is "significantly different" from a series prius ... Oh yes indeed, LiOn instead of NiMH.

It's true that LiOn is brand new : Mrgreen:

Especially, EDF and the state are trying to tie the pigeon, er, sorry, the particular : Evil:
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by I Citro » 21/03/09, 18:01

: Arrow: To return to the subject, I sent a message on their website to express my opinion:

The subject of this program was to open perspectives to viewers. It did not happen. The cause lies in the choice of guests.
It is notable that none of them are electric car specialists, do not work in this industry or use electric cars. So there was a trial of intent in good standing. many biases, lies, omissions. it shocks me from Yves Calvi, whom I appreciate moreover.
The content of his program was debated and criticized on several forums outside France 2. If you broach the subject again, you would be well advised to invite the right people.

I received the following answer:
Hello,


You expressed your dissatisfaction with the choice of the guests in the program "C dans l'air: the electric car, and quickly" broadcast on March 6.

Thank you for taking the time to write to France 5 for
share your reaction.

I sent your message to the management of the antenna and
programs of France 5 so that it becomes aware of it.

Your comments, suggestions and comments are useful to enable France 5 to offer you programs that meet your expectations.


Sincerely,

Isabelle Pivier,
Head of TV Relations
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by Remundo » 21/03/09, 18:55

Hello Citro,

it is an "automatic viewer service" response without analysis. There is a good chance that the ideas of your post will get lost. :?
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by RIAZ » 22/03/09, 08:49

Remundo wrote:They will not only deliver electricity, they will also identify the connected car, and collect data for later billing. It would therefore seem that we will not be able to buy energy anonymously as we do with gasoline ... But considering that it will be cars for professional use, it is not embarrassing. The experience will begin at the end of the year, with 100 cars, it is scheduled to last 3 years.
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Everything is there ! Non-standard charging stations, flicage and lease agreement galore ...

Especially, EDF and the state are trying to tie the pigeon, er, sorry, the particular : Evil:


Sorry to quote me, but that's what I wrote the day after the MONDIAL de Paris.
(Sun 12 Oct 2008, 19: 03 Post subject: MONDIAL OF THE AUTO 2008: the king is naked!)

RIAZ wrote:........
Always about the electric cars, were present on this Mondial ... our friends of EDF with which, I had a long and fruitful conversation.
EDF and some major car manufacturers have signed (the 9 October during the World) agreements on the supply of power via terminals, which will be necessary for the future urban electrified.
When I ask (to a very knowledgeable and friendly gentleman, what was furiously cutting with the bimbos and other bastards uneducated present on the other stands) if EDF is preparing to provide, in quantity, a fleet of which "everyone" says will be electric or that it will not be, the answer, translated into plain language is: it will remain marginal for a long time, we will see later, we position ourselves on the wave and we surf with others, it does not eat bread .....
But that's not the most interesting. This terminal will have to be intelligent, necessarily (!), Because it will of course be necessary to invoice ... It was written roughly on the EDF stand: "Our intelligent terminal will recognize the vehicle and provide it with the appropriate charging program and blah BLA bla ..."
Me, who has a bad mind (and the more it goes, the worse it is!) I reformulated the thing and I read: "Your vehicle will recognize the terminal and will decide on its charging program ..." or not. !
When I told the EDF gentleman that he was installing the "fuel current" tax counter, look at the corner then in the sky, and yes, but it's not our fault because the technical need for these terminals exists and in any case, this project of taxation is in the boxes in Brussels and we do not should not wait to hear about it ....

For those who thought of the "fiscal shunt" which would allow the refueling at ONE € for 150 km, it's over. We no longer dream of recharging with the socket which is also used for the vacuum cleaner.

For those who do not understand, I remind you that you are obliged to go to your dealer who alone has the test bench and control with which your car agrees to discuss.


And among the big builders who signed with EDF, obviously, there was TOYOTA .....

The economic advantage of fuel electricity looks more and more like a mirage, the closer we get to it the more it fades ...
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by netshaman » 28/03/09, 22:54

It would have surprised me if they could not find a way to annoy the world in one way or another.
The 150 km at a euro was too good to be true.
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by Woodcutter » 28/03/09, 23:03

netshaman wrote:It would have surprised me if they could not find a way to annoy the world in one way or another.
The 150 km at a euro was too good to be true.
Ben anyway, basically, it was not true ...
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