Eat more to feed less: value nutrionnelle VS agricultural productivity!

[Christophe]

An interesting documentary which shows that the more we produce per hectare, the more the nutritional value of food decreases ...
So the classic: quantity VS quality ...

But since the CONSUMERS "see" only the price (the more there is, the cheaper it is ... the better it is ...), the manufacturers are not ready to abandon the path of productivity at the expense quality! In fine, this suits their "friends" the pharmaceutical industries well ... because when we eat less well, we need (sooner or later) more drugs ... and hop the circle is complete!

Summary:

Today, in industrialized countries, the majority of the population is eating its fill. However, many people suffer from a deficiency in micronutrients such as iron, zinc, but also in fatty acids and vitamins. In fact, over the past fifty years, food has lost up to 75% of its value ...

To see in full here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8iSxjnsRsA

[Obamot]

It is a rather alarmist speech!

Bah, I don't know if there is a "great underground conductor" who is behind with Machiavellian aims ...
I rather think that we are still in the post-war heritage, since the industrial tool "to produce more and lose as little as possible"was already there in the 50s ... The trend has only continued and even increased (because yes it is profitable to devitalize food, it can be kept longer ...).

In the dark hours of Europe (14-18 and 39-45, then after the war, which is why it is true that the race for yield started 60 years ago) it was vital to produce a maximum and lose a minimum and then store as long as possible, famine was looming. Today it is overpopulation that requires a "perfomant" tool in the food industry (there have been hunger riots, we have not emerged from self-sufficiency in certain countries, see the reports of the FAO, UNDP and even WHO). To this is added all forms of speculation!

There is however "a kind of justice", it is that the well-off (which we are compared to Saël for example) suffer from the same industrial tool ...

This is the diagram of the watered sprinkler! The worst is that in "push" crops there is a deficiency of mineral salts in the food (magnesium + zinc and iron, that's correct). And these are the only ones that would be assimilated by the organism. Drinking mineral water or salting food when serving is not assimilated. On the contrary for water, it is "bad water" for us, which has a too low resistivity (and therefore which does not clean the organism well and the overload ... Eating salt only retains the water in the tissues, which on the contrary would need to be evacuated.)

But in my humble opinion, it is not the nutritional value, the vitamins there are, they are there and with all that one eats one is not likely to miss some. But the quality, which translates into a drop in the mineral salts contained: yes, yes (this is a good indicator). For fatty acids, it is highly recommended rapeseed oil (organic if possible) the only very affordable with a good balance Omega-3 / Omega-6. Or any oil at first cold pressing, but then you have to examine the content and complete with another. Olive oil contains almost only Omega-9. Absorbing calcium is useless if it is not fixed.

[Obamot]

PS: diagram of the sprinkler, classic of an economy based on predation (competitiveness = speculation = yields = loss of quality).

INRA is morons, well it's "scientists" yes, like what ... there are scientists VS rascal scientists (without deontology or ethics)

[Macro]

It is a rather alarmist speech!

(because yes it is profitable to devitalize food, it keeps longer ...).

I do not know if you watched the report ... There is a little lady who puts compost at the foot of her fruit trees .... She manages to make dried fruit that dry naturally without rotting on straw .. And which in fact keep much better and longer ... I like the idea because I eat a lot of dried fruit ...

[Obamot]

Dried fruits are the best (contrary to what many people think) because there are concentrations that are not found in fresh fruits!
Perfect for winter, which does not mean that you do not need fresh, you need both!

Of course I saw it, it's a researcher, Dominique Florient. INRA is funded by the lobby of frozen food producers, all that interests them is the polyphenols and carotenoids ... the sugar level.

But when I say that the subject is alarmist, I put it in perspective with the global (global) food situation. I say that we are not yet self-sufficient in many parts of the world. So if you want, it is not in the priorities (the report says it) but that does not mean that I agree with that (besides the race for profitability at all costs, it is a wrong calculation with regard to soil exhaustion).

For the two soil analysis specialists (Lydia Bourguignon and Mr), 1'300 € is excessive, I paid mine 70 € by a subsidized federal laboratory (but can we trust them, when we see INRA, the horror). They may go further ...

For me if you will, I think the guy from Sygenta is not all wrong when he says that when consumers ask for the nutrients “that would go well” in products, they will. The problem is that it's a little ironic (on purpose or not) because that's not how it works in Brussels, but through lobbyists. We come back to the same point, we have to do with a hyper-corrupt political class (in all tendencies). What should be done?

[Obamot]

PS: Macro, most of these politicians from m ... heads of INRA should be in prison for poisoning: it's a matter of public health!

In the process and in the order of priorities: it would be well to ban white sugar (or sell it very expensive) ban sweet sodas (or sweetened with natural xylitol) ban all second-category oils to offer blending oils containing an ideal balance (also a public health issue) and return to ancestral varieties, and then carry out prevention campaigns (in particular on the abuse of consumption of meat, red first and prepared in particular): because as it says the report, in the end it wouldn't cost more to do it "well" on a large scale! Reducing the quantity of meat would require less fodder, which would make it possible to reconnect with quality. There is also a demographic issue, populations that live long do not need a population explosion to perpetuate the species, it is well known.

[Janic]

obamot hello

most of these politicians and INRA people should be in prison for poisoning, because it is a matter of public health!

If it was necessary to imprison all the "bad" poisoners (that is to say all of us), it would be quicker to isolate those who are not, it would take up much less space!

[Did67]

... She manages to make dried fruits which dry naturally without rotting on straw ... And which in fact keep much better and longer ... I like the idea because I eat a lot of dried fruit ...

I know a simpler method than compost!

I still have cabbages in my garden, which have spent the winter ...

[Obamot]

obamot hello

most of these politicians and INRA people should be in prison for poisoning, because it is a matter of public health!

If it was necessary to imprison all the "bad" poisoners (that is to say all of us), it would be quicker to isolate those who are not, it would take up much less space!

I'm not already going with the back of the spoon, but you .... are you in the jjih∂d for organic Demeter way? ^^

Or are you for the class struggle that is all the rage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juSD7PXurZA

Notes:
C + (maintenance of bone capital) calcium VS Ca2 cation calcium contained in the soil and not directly assimilable ...
Mcat's = The Medical College Admission Test (MCAT)

[Did67]

But since the CONSUMERS "see" only the price (the more there is, the cheaper it is ... the better it is ...), the manufacturers are not ready to abandon the path of productivity at the expense quality! In fine, this suits their "friends" the pharmaceutical industries well ... because when we eat less well, we need (sooner or later) more drugs ... and hop the circle is complete!

I found the documentary "a little weak" (I missed the start and not watched the replay yet).

One of the fundamental questions has not been addressed: how to "define" the quality of a product !!!!

The figures and graphs proposed were quite anecdotal: declining calcium levels, e.g. Still it would be necessary that one lacks calcium so that a higher rate becomes a quality criterion (in calcareous regions, that does not seem obvious to me at all!). We can assume (and I think everyone has) that the other minerals follow the same slope! Is it so obvious ???

For other elements, I think it can be much worse: sulfur? What about all the "micro-elements"?

Having said that, I have absolutely no doubts about the "dilution effect" and the lower richness of agricultural products from intensive agriculture. But I think that to be credible, this question should have been dealt with ... And I find the document very weak on this.

And we would have realized that it is not tomorrow that a product will be paid at "quality": vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, polyphenols, etc etc ... All that should be analyzed! Make it "a weighted average" (what weighting?) ... So it will not be tomorrow that there will be standards. And the Syngenta salesperson can rest easy.

And yet, indeed, I see it in my "vegetable garden of the lazy", a qualitative approach, it "feels" easily: taste, conservation, resistance to frost, or to rot ... But this "feeling" is not is not a "merchant" standard !!! A reason to encourage individual production without many constraints? [I have to move on with my book!]