Pollution and gray energy of computer manufacturing

[Christophe]

Figures found in the Terre Sauvage number 194 of May 2004 page 49. The () are mine.

The production of a 24 kg machine (therefore no flat screen included) requires 240 kg of fossil fuels, 22 kg of chemicals and 1500 L of water.

Or 1,8 T of "materials" many of which are devastating for the environment (assuming that the 1500L of water are "polluted" ...)

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[RolCopter]

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Figures found in the Terre Sauvage number 194 of May 2004 page 49. The () are mine.
Quote:

The production of a 24 kg machine (therefore no flat screen included) requires 240 kg of fossil fuels, 22 kg of chemicals and 1500 L of water.

Or 1,8 T of "materials" many of which are devastating for the environment (assuming that the 1500L of water are "polluted" ...)
I'm looking for numbers

In the same vein, I would like to know what the production of a car produces?
Little reflection that came to me by the fact that our dear government pushes us to buy new cars since the old pollute too much.
In Co2 alone this must represent a few km of driving.

[jean63]

In the same vein, I would like to know what the production of a car produces?
Little reflection that came to me by the fact that our dear government pushes us to buy new cars since the old pollute too much.
In Co2 alone this must represent a few km of driving.

Totally agree with you. That's why I make my cars last.
Normally my R25 LPG 18 years / 310 kms, can last until April 000 (next check).

But they found another parade to send them to the scrap yard.

They will harden the technical checks in January 2008 (8 additional points including oozing shock absorbers, which does not prove at all that the shock absorbers are dead and that the road handling is affected). There is a parade if it is weak, it is to wipe well with a degreaser and a dry cloth just before going there !!

Soon, there won't be many old diesels left to mount pantone !! There will be more than modern FDI Hdi: impossible to modify anything ... and there, the consumer society will reach its peak.

In the same vein, I did not resolve to send my 1st PC to the scrapyard when I saw that the Indians (not the red skins) receive them by whole containers from Europe and USA and that they reverse engineer them by breathing in all the harmful heavy metals ... etc ... a shame for the world, while we pay a tax for the recycling of all this modern gear with a negligible lifespan.

[loop]

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To support where it hurts, imagine the fuel necessary to transport our old materials to the other side of the planet, where children will sort the materials for us.

In a TV report (beware of what they want to show us, but this was for a good cause) in a huge landfill in a country of the Far East, children locally burned plastic casings, to identify to smell the type of material. Needless to say the potential toxicity of their "work" knowing that in addition, most of the materials used in the outer casing of electrical products, are flame retardant with a boron oxide, suspected of being carcinogenic by inhalation.

Thank you, gentlemen, Microsoft IT specialists who make our computers obsolete every year.
I think that the software is not so "Soft" that one wants to let it think and has nothing to envy to the hardwre in terms of incentive to consumption.

Regarding the automobile, I would not be surprised that the recycling of modern cars, with the objective of 100% recycling, is planned with the shipment of the most embarrassing products to our less wealthy neighbors.

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[jean63]

Regarding the automobile, I would not be surprised that the recycling of modern cars, with the objective of 100% recycling, is planned with the shipment of the most embarrassing products to our less wealthy neighbors

100% ..... you laugh .... it's theory.

For steel no problem, but for your plastics, I don't believe it.

For the moment they are filling large holes that are supposed to be waterproof since they have put a plastic "sheet" waterproof to all the products and there can be no transfer with the ground and the water table which is below. .

There is a car destroyer near my home and his big hole he did on the edge of the Allier. Despite the petitions of local residents, the hole has been made and for years it has put everything in it that cannot be recycled; it even seems that there are batteries.
It would surprise me that one day, it does not leak through the "waterproof" film if the acids pierce it for example or for some other reason of pressure, shear or aging.

It is true that on "old" cars (more than 10 years old) there was a great variety of different plastic materials and many were not recyclable.

They would have done better to send these cars to Africa which would have made them last a very long time. In Madagascar there are still 203 Peugeot (cars from the 50s) that are still driving (taxis).

They are the kings of the D system like in the Middle East or South America, even in Cuba where they drive the old Americans.

But all these countries have been invaded by Japanese cars, especially SUVs, but not everyone can afford a SUV.

[Christophe]

What bothers me is above all the confusion between "recycled" and "recyclable".

In itself a lot of materials are recyclable... and this has always been not because the manufacturers put recyclable that by magic they become it.

Then you have to know what we are talking about: Is it recyclable to make the same material or to make another one? In the second case, almost all of the plastics are recyclable in the first case, it is a tiny minority that is!

Based on this observation, I bet that a car from the 60s has, in%, more "recyclable" materials than a modern car!

Two other criteria must also be taken into account when "selling" a "recyclable" car:
a) the recycling branch ... sorry but if the sector does not exist it's false advertising!
b) the environmental and energy (econological) cost of this supply ...

[jean63]

What bothers me is above all the confusion between "recycled" and "recyclable".

In itself a lot of materials are recyclable... and this has always been not because the manufacturers put recyclable that by magic they become it.

Then you have to know what we are talking about: Is it recyclable to make the same material or to make another one? In the second case, almost all of the plastics are recyclable in the first case, it is a tiny minority that is!

Based on this observation, I bet that a car from the 60s has, in%, more "recyclable" materials than a modern car!

Two other criteria must also be taken into account when "selling" a "recyclable" car:
a) the recycling branch ... sorry but if the sector does not exist it's false advertising!
b) the environmental and energy (econological) cost of this supply ...

For plastics, there are many more on modern cars, but I remember hearing or reading that these plastics (less diversity in recent cars than on old) were therefore easier to sort because there are fewer of them and therefore to recycle.

it remains to be verified.