Tension with Russia in Ukraine

[Woof woof]

Who are the real "Nazis"? It's obvious though...

Indeed OBVIOUS

What is the point of hammering the term Ukronazi over and over again and focusing the debate on an epiphenomenon?
As everywhere, there are neo-Nazi groups, both in Ukraine and in Russia. 1 everywhere the ball in the center, you might say.

In Ukraine, there are nationalist and far-right groups that have been implicated in violence against ethnic minorities, including Roma, Crimean Tatars and Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Some of these groups fought alongside Ukrainian forces in the war in Dombass, where they have been accused of war crimes.

In Russia, the neo-Nazi movement has been more marginalized in recent years, although there are still active groups. The Russian government has cracked down on extremist groups, but some observers say this has also led to a rise in nationalism and extremism among Russian youth.

The Wagner militia is said to have recruited neo-Nazi fighters for its operations, particularly in Ukraine and Syria. Some of the militia members were reported to have used Nazi symbols and insignia.
This can raise concerns about their ideology and political orientation.
Of course, not all information about the Wagner Militia is readily available, since the Militia is a secret organization. Therefore, it is difficult to confirm specific details of the militia's involvement with neo-Nazi movements. In a recent interview, Nazi militia tattoos are clearly not a concern for Prigogine.

It seems more balanced to me to bear in mind that the majority of Ukrainians and Russians do not share these neo-Nazi extremist views.

[Christophe]

It seems more balanced to me to bear in mind that the majority of Ukrainians and Russians do not share these neo-Nazi extremist views.

That's a good summary and I tend to agree!

But 2 downsides:

a) why do our media (let's not talk about trolls) almost systematically assimilate the Wagners to neo-Nazism?

b) it is necessary all the same to separate this mercenary militia, (normally) completely deprived, from battalions of the regular army, Aidar and Azov financed by a state and especially legitimate in the eyes of that State (at least in part)

So a priori there is something smellier in Ukraine than in Russia!

[Obamot]

Who else, if not ukros-nazes to deal with human trafficking and organ trafficking, perpetrated by the infamous "reprisal battalions" which they are made up, and which are the pride of the EU up to its "young-Leader" president...

PS and still no one to feel sorry for the fate of the victims, but group fire to save the reputation of the executioners: bravo!

PS: ah, and when the Ukrainian government shows its official will to fight against Nazism (as the Russians do,) let me know...

[izentrop]

History has clearly shown that the Russians do not respect the agreements ...

[Christophe]

Are you sure it's the fault of the Russians?

The first conflict in the small republic of Chechnya, located in the Russian North Caucasus, ended in August 1996. Aslan Maskhadov, Chechen Chief of Staff, and Alexander Lebed, Secretary of the Russian Security Council, signed the Khasavyurt agreements, which, without explicitly specifying the status of Chechnya, planned to clarify within five years the "bases of mutual relations" between the two parties. In January 1997, the presidential election took place in Chechnya, in which Maskhadov emerged victorious with 59% of the votes. On May 12, 1997, he signed a peace treaty with Russian President Boris Yeltsin which provided for the establishment of "solid, equal and mutually beneficial relations". between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria and put an end to "400 years" of Russian-Chechen conflict by opening an "era of peace" between the two entities.

But Maskhadov can't control his warlords who dream of a Islamic Caucasus intended to bring together all the neighboring republics, like the former Ciscaucasia dismantled in the XNUMXth century during the Caucasian War.

On August 7, 1999, the most radical elements, led by warlords Shamil Basaïev and Khattab, made an incursion into Daghestan, a republic in the Russian Caucasus neighboring Chechnya, under the pretext of bringing aid to local Islamist rebels pounded in their strongholds by Russian federal forces.

From August 31 to September 16, 1999, five explosions occur in Russia, three in Moscow and two others in the provinces, resulting in the death of more than 300 people. They are attributed by the Russian authorities to the Chechen separatists, some seeing in them a manipulation of the FSB. Combined with Moscow's desire to take revenge, which it seems had been planned for months, these events are leading to a new war.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seconde_g ... h%C3%A9nie

[izentrop]

Are you sure it's the fault of the Russians?

Yes, Putin has manipulated public opinion following obscure attacks (FSB?) as a pretext to strengthen his grip and take advantage of it to plunder property and put a faithful at the head of the country.

[Christophe]

More prouks reasoning… except for kadirov…

[Christophe]

Analyzes on the collision of the US drone:

[Woof woof]

Are you sure it's the fault of the Russians?

Also on wikipedia
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism ... _en_Russie

A series of five attacks against residential buildings between August 31 and September 16, 1999 in several cities in European Russia left at least 290 dead and a thousand injured.

These attacks with explosives and car bombs have been attributed to Chechen separatists. They led, with the invasion of Dagestan by Chechen separatists from August 7, to the outbreak of the second Chechen war. Alexander Litvinenko, ex-lieutenant-colonel of the FSB, Russian counterintelligence service, was poisoned with polonium after accusing the FSB of fomenting these attacks.

On January 25, 2011, on France Inter, Hélène Blanc, political scientist and specialist in Russia at the CNRS, commenting on the recent attack at Domodiedovo airport, affirms that the responsibility of the FSB and not of Chechnya in the attacks of 1999 has been established. :

“I believe that we must beware of quickly interpreting the attacks, for example in 1999, which served as an alibi to trigger the second war in Chechnya. Well it is clear today, it was not at the time of course, but now we know that these attacks were not at all the work of the Chechens to whom they were attributed, but the work of the FSB. Moreover, there were three attacks in total in different cities, but the fourth city, Ryazan, there the FSB was caught red-handed. Subsequently, we learned that not only was the modus operandi not at all in the Chechen habit, but that the explosives were not Chechen explosives but indeed Russian explosives. The FSB is capable of many things, including against its people. »

[Woof woof]

a) why do our media (let's not talk about trolls) almost systematically assimilate the Wagners to neo-Nazism?

b) it is necessary all the same to separate this mercenary militia, (normally) completely deprived, from battalions of the regular army, Aidar and Azov financed by a state and especially legitimate in the eyes of that State (at least in part)

So a priori there is something smellier in Ukraine than in Russia!

We agreed that neo nazis exist on both sides and are only minorities.
Identifying with a larger group, here a probably idealized and fantasized neo Nazism, gives individuals a sense of identity and pride.
By adhering to neo Nazism, they can express their natural inclination for violence and a certain order of things, although probably few of them really adhere to Hitler's ideology; Russia and Ukraine having undergone the yoke of Nazism. I see these people as retarded teenagers in adult bodies and anyway, they remain insignificant quantity.

Ukraine funded the questionable Aidar and Azov battalions to back up the regular army against pro-Russian separatists.
Without conflict against the pro Russians, no Aidar and Azov battalion, no questionable acts.

A little background on this thinly disguised conflict between Russia and Ukraine:

- Russian forces annexed Crimea in 2014, in violation of international law, and have supported separatists in eastern Ukraine ever since. Russia has also been accused of supplying arms and ammunition to the separatists.
- Observers reported the presence of Russian soldiers and military equipment in the Donbass region. Photos and videos have been circulating on social media showing Russian soldiers in uniform in conflict zones in Ukraine.
- Investigations by human rights organizations have revealed that pro-Russian separatists have committed human rights abuses, including summary executions and abductions of civilians, with the alleged support of Russia.
- Ukrainian authorities have accused Russia of providing professional fighters to support separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Pro-Russian separatists in Donbass swung into action from the year 2014. It all started with pro-Russian protests in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk in response to the impeachment of the president Ukrainian pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014. These protests quickly evolved into an armed insurgency, supported by Russia, against the Ukrainian authorities.
In April 2014, separatists took control of several cities in eastern Ukraine, including Donetsk and Luhansk, and declared the creation of two self-declared breakaway republics: the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic. . Since then, the situation in the region has remained tense, with sporadic clashes between Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed separatists.

Denis Pushilin became one of the pro-Russian separatist leaders in the Donbass region of Ukraine from the year 2014. At that time, Russia began to actively support separatist groups seeking emancipation from the Ukraine and get closer to Russia. Russian support included the provision of arms, funding, military advisers and propaganda, among others. Since then, the two self-declared breakaway republics, the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic, have maintained some autonomy from the Ukrainian government, but are not recognized by the international community.

Denis Pushilin, the controversy:
A leaflet distributed in Donetsk in 2014 calling on Jews aged 16 and over to report to authorities to register as Jews and declare their heritage, reportedly sparked panic among the Jewish community on the eve of the Jewish holiday. Easter. The leaflet, stamped with the city seal and signed by Denis Pushilin, the chairman of the temporary government of Donetsk, was distributed to Jews near the city's synagogue as well as in pro-Russian-controlled areas of the city. . The leaflet, in which local authorities demand the payment of a special tax of $50 per Jew, specifies that Jews who do not register risk having their nationality revoked, the confiscation of their property and expulsion from the country . Denis Pouchiline defends himself by saying that it would not be from his hand, even if distributed by the faithful. In an open letter to Vladimir Putin, Jewish figures in Ukraine accuse Russian President Putin of brandishing the threat of nationalism and anti-Semitism to legitimize his interventionism in Ukraine.
The chief rabbi in Donetsk, Pinchas Vichedski, later confirmed that this leaflet was a forgery.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Pouchiline

It's hard not to see Russia's treacherous expansionism behind every dirty trick against Ukraine since 2014.