Vaccinations and health ... for or against?

[Christophe]

izentrop hello

Would you like to return? Happy to see you again

Happy end of holidays!

[izentrop]

Hello janic,

obviously no scientific space to real opponents qualified

because they may not exist.
None of them convinced me anyway.

[izentrop]

You are not going to like that one because it does not speak well of Michel Georget.

[Janic]

Would you like to return? Happy to see you again

HELLO ALSO Christophe
My absence was due to a computer failure caused by a thunderstorm, I took the opportunity to start the internet diet and it feels good!

Happy end of holidays!

The same!

janic wrote: obviously no scientific space to real qualified opponents

because they may not exist.

I like it can be! As we do not follow the same route, we therefore do not meet the same signs and therefore the same type of information.

None of them convinced me anyway.

The objective is not to convince but to inform differently from the "official" discourse. After everyone does what he wants or doesn't want.

You are not going to like that one because it does not speak well of Michel Georget. *

It may surprise you, but I almost agree with the zigoto of zetetics. Who says nothing concrete about Georget except that other scientists do not share his point of view, which is their right, obviously!
For the article, we cannot take as a reference the personal approach of parents who, at least ask questions whose answers may or may not satisfy the persons concerned. He would be less proud in front of a real scientist specialized in this subject. However, the cup of tea in this zigoto is mockery, mockery, which does not make the content of the subject raised fly very high.
More interesting is the previous video which expresses A scientific point of view by Sansonetti who, like it or not, is part of an institute that lives on this business of vaccines and therefore remains judge and jury at the same time. However, the successive scandals that make the news emphasize, if need be, that the labs concerned do not want to acknowledge their responsibility for the dramatic effects induced by their products.
Vaccines, among these scandals, do not blemish because indeed the pharmacovigilance is reduced to its simplest expression (1 to 10% of reports of side effects) as for the drugs and where the doctors do not want to put their finger in a gear that would endanger their job by their testimony, unwelcome in this business, regardless of the time that represents these reports taken on the time spent on their patients.
To come back to this obligation, it nevertheless presents a significant interest for the subject. But it should be known whether the state will take care of the side effects of the additional 8 and it should therefore impose on doctors a full and exhaustive report on its side effects even not listed by phase III labs. and that these are effectively recognized as such. (We can dream !)

[izentrop]

Janic,
As always, your tactic is to return the arguments without bringing anything new.

For the eradication of smallpox, it is vaccination and containment that came to an end and not only containment as you like to repeat from the start. No need to put a link because it is very well documented.

Come on, for a laugh: a video that proves nothing but shows the situation well

[Leo Maximus]

Hi,

I am interested in the history of inventions. There is the official story, the one we are told, but the truth is often very different.

I do not know if the smallpox inoculation originated in China as mentioned above. The fact remains that in the January 1768 issue of the Mercure de France (which I own) there are two studies on the subject entitled:

"Easy ways to keep smallpox kids out in all cities"

And: "Relation of the way in which smallpox inoculation is practiced in the East Indies, by JZ Holwell: translated from the London Chronicle."

In these studies are cited the names of several doctors who practiced smallpox inoculation in Europe in the middle of the 18th century, long before Jenner stated, "like what has been done in India since time immemorial."

Jenner's name doesn't appear anywhere. Absolute certainty: Jenner is absolutely not the inventor of inoculation.

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[Leo Maximus]

First page of the second article: "Relation of the way in which smallpox inoculation is practiced in the East Indies, by JZ Holwell: translated from the London Chronicle."

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[Janic]

Janic,
As always, your tactic is to return the arguments without bringing anything new.

For what it is to bring nothing at all it is this video of zetetics.

For the eradication of smallpox, it is vaccination and containment that came to an end, and not only containment as you like to repeat from the start. No need to put a link because it is very well documented.

Exactly ! The WHO report is in this ambiguity to underline on the one hand the ineffectiveness of systematic vaccination campaigns against smallpox and on the other hand give major importance to containment by isolating infectious foci, (8.4.3 .XNUMX) while continuing to vaccinate around. But this is where the problem is that practicing vaccination outside of homes that has proven to be a failure is like having people who do not smoke wear anti-smoking patches, at most it could infect a few more and delay eradication.
Yet the WHO is particularly discreet about post-vaccine epidemics such as that of the English armies which I have already mentioned and which has led to the fact that England has stopped imposing this vaccination
Here is an example of smallpox vaccination which was long mandatory, but which remains valid for all vaccines:
"1 ° - This example is interesting, on the one hand because it is taken in a country where the endemic smallpox was important before vaccination, it is that of the Philippines, on the other hand because vaccination there is was practiced in a particularly massive way.
In 1905, when the islands took possession of the islands, the smallpox mortality was about 10%. Given this huge proportion, a systematic vaccination campaign was immediately undertaken.
In 1905-1906, whereas this one was widely developed, declares a first epidemic: the mortality amounts to 25% ...
Be that as it may, the Americans hastily ordered an intensification of vaccination.
From 1918 to 1920, while 95% of the population was vaccinated, despite 15 million vaccinations performed during the previous 13, was the most appalling outbreak ever known. The average mortality rate was more than 54%. On a population of less than 11 million, there were 112.549 cases of smallpox and 60.855 deaths. These figures alone would be enough to justify a certain skepticism about the effectiveness of vaccination.
But it is found that in Manila, whose inhabitants were all vaccinated and revaccinated was recorded the highest percentage of deaths (65,3%), doubt can settle firmly in the mind.
Can not this doubt turn into certainty when it is known that in the island of Mindanao, where the natives had refused vaccination because of their religious convictions, the lowest mortality was found, with only 14,4% of death; that is to say that in this part of the islands, the only one where there has not been vaccinated, there has not been an epidemic: the mortality has practically remained the same as before.
2 ° - The opinion of Professor Alfred Russel Waliace.
In chapter XVIII of his book "The Wonderful Century", the eminent scientist studies the incidence of smallpox vaccination on the incidence of smallpox cases. It was natural for a rigorous scientific mind to proceed by comparison.
In the city of Leicester, 95% of babies were vaccinated until the day when the epidemic of 1871-1872 broke out. The number of reported cases and the number of deaths clearly demonstrated the uselessness of vaccination (first demonstration). The authorities abandoned it and took hygienic measures. Smallpox disappeared from Leicester faster than in other industrial cities even vaccinated (second demonstration)
ARWaliace draws a parallel between this unvaccinated city and the Army and Navy considered "completely vaccinated".
For 1873-1874: Army 37 p / m; Marine 36,8 p / m; Leicester 14,4 deaths per million of smallpox.
"…. In the years 1878-1890 inclusive, the inhabitants unvaccinated of Leicester have had so few fatal cases of this small pox that the registrar, represents the average by the decimal 0,01 per thousand inhabitants, a figure equal to 10 per million, while for the twelve years 1878-1889, there was less than one death per year.
Vaccinations did not reduce the F and S DELARUE epidemics.

“Currently and for 25 years (in England), only a third of children under 5 years of age are vaccinated each year, the other two thirds trust their natural immunity to face the risks of smallpox. If we take into account, on the one hand that the number of boosters is almost negligible, on the other hand that the rate of immunization after vaccination does not exceed 75% (?) According to the vaccine specialists; finally, that immunity is very brief since the ministerial decree published in the OJ of August 12, 1965 stipulates that only personnel having undergone vaccination or a booster for less than 3 years are currently considered immune, it must be admitted that at present Britain is practically no longer artificially immunized against smallpox.
However, among the two thirds unvaccinated, there have only occurred in 25 years 4 deaths from smallpox, while at the same time among the third vaccinated there were 86 deaths due to vaccination. Or a proportion of deaths 21 times greater among those vaccinated! (Response from the Minister of Health to Parliament, 12-2-64, and Registrar general's Record, in The Vaccination Inquirer).
In the closer and shorter period between 1953 and 1961 (inclusive), the statistics of the Ministry of Health show the following data:
11 deaths from smallpox out of 37.000.000 inhabitants - 1,22 per year and 0,026 per million.
37 deaths per 500.000 vaccinations on average per year - i.e. 4,11 per year and 8,22 per million.
The death rates are therefore, in the report, from 8,22 to 0,026; that is, this so-called protection is 316 times more often fatal than the disease.
(PR ORD "Health, Freedom and Vaccinations" n ° 28)
Not 2 or 3 times more but 316 times! And the figures are similar whatever the vaccines concerned!

certain passages from this WHO report also require consideration: 5-2; 5-3; 8.2.4 (successes and failures); 8.3.2 and therefore 8.4.3 quoted, keeping in mind that WHO has supported ALL vaccination campaigns and cannot, without being ridiculed, brutally assert the uselessness and dangerousness of vaccines (whatever they are besides!) intended to reassure the populations frightened by the bad microbes and viruses of all kinds.
Unfortunately the general public is and remains very poorly informed on this subject, which is so dominated by system-wide media campaigns and where most journalists are incompetent on this subject (like the zetotic zigoto) and are content with the official discourse distilled by the labs. . (these journalists need, like all the rest of the population, to reassure themselves and to believe in the vaccine myth as others believe in the great marabout who manipulates superstitions of all kinds)

[Janic]

leo maximus hello
the 141 page of your 1768 book underlines that a doctor Claude Chauvel recommended, there 150 years ago the distance from those who were attacked by this syphilis ... but we did not listen! No more! and millions of additional deaths have been suffered.

[izentrop]

WHO is particularly discreet about post-vaccine epidemics such as that of the English armies which I have already mentioned and which has led to the fact that England has stopped imposing this vaccination
Here is an example of smallpox vaccination which was long mandatory, but which remains valid for all vaccines:
"1 ° - This example is interesting, on the one hand because it is taken in a country where the endemic smallpox was important before vaccination, it is that of the Philippines, on the other hand because vaccination there is was practiced in a particularly massive way.
In 1905, when the Americans took possession of the islands, smallpox mortality was around 10% ...

If you gave the links of what you quote, we would believe you, but this is not the WHO, but the work of an anti-theft https://www.editionsmarcopietteur.com/t ... 10998.html (chapter1 to download at the bottom of the page).