The dictatorship against pollution and climate change?

[Exnihiloest]

If the air quality is actually improved in big cities, it should however be noted that pollution has only increased in the world.
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Reduced to the standard of living and the number of inhabitants, not sure. The better we live, the more we pollute. And newcomers to wealth, especially the Chinese who started from nothing, have not yet put in place the means to clean the air. It will come, because the bp is sharp at home and they are aware of it.

[GuyGadebois]

Reduced to the standard of living and the number of inhabitants, not sure. The better we live, the more we pollute. And newcomers to wealth, especially the Chinese who started from nothing, have not yet put in place the means to clean the air. It will come, because the bp is sharp at home and they are aware of it.

Whose fault is it? In the meantime, Chinese children living in large cities who have been arrested have finally been able to see stars.

[Christophe]

"Abject", as your pitbull would say. You have fallen very low.

Oh well then ... Mr. Exni can insult everyone and everyone but when he takes a (small) counterattack he screams abject?

Go back down to Earth a bit!

[sen-no-sen]

Reduced to the standard of living and the number of inhabitants, not sure. The better we live, the more we pollute. And newcomers to wealth, especially the Chinese who started from nothing, have not yet put in place the means to clean the air. It will come, because the bp is sharp at home and they are aware of it.

The pollution / per capita ratio is not an interesting indicator, but if that can reassure ... suffer from pneumonia during a smog episode knowing that the pollution levels per inhabitants are decreasing should not cure the sick either!

The Chinese pollute because they produce for European and American countries (among others), they should logically delegate in turn their pollution to other developing countries, especially in Africa where the price of labor is less high.

[Exnihiloest]

"Abject", as your pitbull would say. You have fallen very low.

Oh well then ... Mr. Exni can insult everyone and everyone but when he takes a (small) counterattack he screams abject?

Go back down to Earth a bit!

Your innuendos are false. I do not have the precedence of personal attacks and I have never insulted everyone.
Also go as far as talking about the children of a contributor here, it's low, it's Shabby. And your sister ?

[Christophe]

You have a short memory my poor ...

We are coming to the green dictatorship, and contrary to the days of communism, today green fachos don't even hesitate to openly claim their dictatorship and demand the application of their Sharia.

Fascists, dictators and finally fundamentalist religious terrorists ... This is how you insulted those who work for more ecological behavior for humanity ... and potentially its survival ...

My sister is fine and yours?

[Exnihiloest]

Reduced to the standard of living and the number of inhabitants, not sure. The better we live, the more we pollute. And newcomers to wealth, especially the Chinese who started from nothing, have not yet put in place the means to clean the air. It will come, because the bp is sharp at home and they are aware of it.

The pollution / per capita ratio is not an interesting indicator, but if that can reassure ... suffer from pneumonia during a smog episode knowing that the pollution levels per inhabitants are decreasing should not cure the sick either!

The Chinese pollute because they produce for European and American countries (among others), they should logically delegate in turn their pollution to other developing countries, especially in Africa where the price of labor is less high.

You don't see the point of reducing pollution to the number of inhabitants because you probably think "inhabitant" as "victim". But when I mention it, it's in the sense of inhabitant = polluter because everyone's life generates pollution, not only individual but also because of the means put in place by society to manage this population density ( e.g. public transport, networks ...) and therefore the greater the population density, the more difficult it is to reduce pollution.

The Chinese produce for them, not for others, that is to say that their trade with the West is to reap the benefits at home, and it works since it has boosted their growth rate for years. The construction of cities, new ports, highways is their home. The means of heating, the means of locomotion, which create pollution, it is at home and for their use, not for Westerners.

[Exnihiloest]

You have a short memory my poor ...

We are coming to the green dictatorship, and contrary to the days of communism, today green fachos don't even hesitate to openly claim their dictatorship and demand the application of their Sharia.

Fascists, dictators and finally fundamentalist religious terrorists ... This is how you insulted those who work for more ecological behavior for humanity ... and potentially its survival ...

This is exactly what those I have targeted are, and freedom of expression allows it to be said because it is not a "personal" attack but an attack on a public movement, like attacking Islamism or like attacking the LREM of which you are not the last to stigmatize the actors. In addition, it is not free, the factual elements are provided to support it, such as the lies of Greta Thunberg, the gangsters for the ban of glyphosate etc. etc.

Personal attackis to attack such and such a person who expresses himself in a debate, to insult, slander or defame him. These are words unrelated to the debate. Nothing to do with criticism of the actors of a political movement. This is what you did when you called meselfish without any personal attack on my part having preceded, and invoking in addition my children! It is a baseness unworthy of a webmaster who claims to maintain a respectable site.

Ecofascism is the world towards which ecologism directs us and consequently also econologism, not that of ecology which in this context is only a recovery. The fascist component is more and more effective, and I regularly give proofs of it as shown above, in a better supported way than you when you treated industrialists of "cracks"; you are in a bad position to teach lessons.
And I am not the only one to say it, a sign that I am not in a personal delirium:

• L'ecofascism has an entry in wikipedia which provides references that you can consult.
• The green dictatorship is claimed as a means of action by environmentalists themselves. "Today it is vital that drastic - and therefore unpopular - binding political decisions be taken"This is what the French astrophysicist, who has become an environmental activist, Aurélien Barrau, tells us. Even if they often deny it, in tartuffes, the message is however perfectly clear: no need for decisions to be made by popular aspiration or the effect of democratic votes.
• The green dictatorship is recognized as such by other environmentalists, them more moderate, like the movement "It starts with me" (a "selfish"him too?!), who recognize him, at least they are not pies "we have other options than the green dictatorship" and propose other ways, some of which I defend (individual ecological action and exemplarity, which will be understood by those who do not confuse "individualism" with "egoism", I will explain that on demand if necessary).
• Ecofascism is recovered by the far right, who does not want to be outdone in the face of the extreme left which in environmentalism is the spearhead (which looks alike is assembled, consciously or not)
• Writers treat the subject of the green dictatorship by fiction ("Air") ou "Bistan towards the green dictatorship" and we know the capacity of many of these authors to anticipate the future.

So yes, there is a definite fascist threat in the air with ecologism, it is common knowledge, and amha at least as great as Islamism because it is a totalitarianism that claims to be global and in addition which has much more insidious means of manipulation. The icing on the cake, it is a threat that comes from the same people who blame governments for globalization ("do what I say not what I do" is their leitmotif)!

It was you who opened the subject of "dictatorship" in this thread, not me. Your words leave little doubt about your position: "Will an ecological dictatorship be necessary to save the climate? Some people are asking the question ... And this may be THE main lesson to be learned from the coronavirus crisis!"(with" ecological "instead of" ecologist ", as if a dictatorship could claim to be a science!).

Being insulted personally each time we talk about these green fachos here, which is my lot, and with your blessing, and even to my family who is invoked, shows that this eco-fascism, we are already there.

[Christophe]

Dear Exni!

You should show your last message to your children (and grandchildren) ... I'm sure they will be very interested in how you seem attached to them!

A "fascist ecologist" works and works for future generations, the environment and biodiversity ...

His action is therefore more in the interest of others (others who may not even be living yet) than in his own interest or his ego or his person ...

Bigre that it is very paradoxical for a fascist who is supposed to hate the other and the difference !! So those who talk about ecofascism about ecology are just thugs who better read the definition of fascism again!

Besides, these same tocards certainly did not experience true fascism ... which makes the comparison even more ridiculous and even defamatory!

These same tocards certainly suck in their pants today (crisis, corona ...) and voluntarily accept deprivations of freedom related to corona ... since they certainly defend economic fascism!

Indeed; there is a real economic and psychological fascism of consumerism: if you consume (the planet) not enough, well you are put on the bench of the consumer society!

[sen-no-sen]

Beware of the all-out use of the term fascism, a term that is very much used and which designates anyone who does not think as it should.
It is important to differentiate totalitarianism and fascism.
If fascism is totalitarianism, totalitarianism does not necessarily define a doctrine specific to fascism *.
Fascism is a current of romantic thought impregnated at the same time with futurism and with a mythification of the people and the nation through the (re) writing of a grand past highlighting the masculinist forces (because it is a male movement), ethnicist and imperialist.
The only thing related to environmentalism and fascism is romantic anticapitalism, nothing more.
Greening is actually a pure product of libertarian liberalism one of the foundations of which is ethnomasochism, i.e. from the strict opposite position to fascism ... just listen to the speeches of Greta Thunberg on the white patriarchy to be convinced.




* Authoritarian socialist republics like Stalinism or Maoism for example were totalitarian doctrines but not fascists.