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The only "color" likely to accept the government would be invisibility ... so he could continue to be blind to these questions.
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Christophe wrote:More than € 7000 million in losses for Air France KLM in 2020 ...
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The turnover collapsed by 59% compared to 2019, to fall to 11,1 billion euros ...
Ultimately these € 7,1bn are the result of a stupid equation: CA2019 * (100-59) / 100 = 11,1
Hence CA2019 = 11,1 / 0,41 or € 27,07bn ... and therefore the loss in 2020 is 27,07-11,1 = € 15,97bn
Bin thin, the hole is even bigger than announced!
The state will have to put its hand in its pocket to bail out shareholders' pockets company accounts!
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Cpofo greli!
So we don't know exactly what these 7 billion correspond to ...
I don't think this is an accounting loss ...
Bon Renault also suffers: https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article ... _3234.html
It is a loss never seen in the history of the French car manufacturer. Renault lost 8 billion euros during a year 2020 marked by the crisis linked to the coronavirus, according to results published on Friday February 19.
This historic drop is mainly due to the contribution of the Japanese partner Nissan, 43% owned by Renault: it penalized the diamond group to the tune of 4,9 billion euros. Renault, for its part, saw its sales plunge by 21,3% over the year, with less than three million vehicles sold in a car market in free fall.
What were we saying at the time? When Renault coughs, France catches a cold ...
So we don't know exactly what these 7 billion correspond to ...
I don't think this is an accounting loss ...
Bon Renault also suffers: https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article ... _3234.html
It is a loss never seen in the history of the French car manufacturer. Renault lost 8 billion euros during a year 2020 marked by the crisis linked to the coronavirus, according to results published on Friday February 19.
This historic drop is mainly due to the contribution of the Japanese partner Nissan, 43% owned by Renault: it penalized the diamond group to the tune of 4,9 billion euros. Renault, for its part, saw its sales plunge by 21,3% over the year, with less than three million vehicles sold in a car market in free fall.
What were we saying at the time? When Renault coughs, France catches a cold ...
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Christophe wrote:What were we saying at the time? When Renault coughs, France catches a cold ...
When Air-France beats its wings, France loses altitude ... (or "leaves feathers there" )
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Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:I have always found them good but then there they stop me a corner the good people even if it is in line with what they were already writing last spring ....
Will we listen to them this time?The collective benefits of herd immunity have become similar to a mantra in mass vaccination strategies, repeated by governments and researchers.
However, the importance of herd immunity touted as a solution to the pandemic may be about to change with the emergence of immune breakout, a virological game-changer that is as important as the arrival of variants of the virus. SARS-CoV-2.
Coping with immune evasion will require a reassessment of public health strategies and the creation of a new evidence-based social contract.
Studies suggest that the emergence and spread of SARS-CoV-2 variants correlate with the lack of robust immune protection after first exposure to previous (wild-type) viruses or even a vaccine.
This development, associated with the emergence of immune escape mutants has been observed not only with SARS-CoV-2, but also with other viruses.
This development could be favored by the decline of the immune response and in particular of the antibody response.
The rapid arrival of SARS-CoV-2 variants such as the variants first identified in South Africa and Brazil suggests a so-called natural immune breakout.
In addition, the dynamics of natural or vaccine herd immunity in regions where these variants have appeared may have exerted substantial pressure on the viral ecosystem, facilitating the emergence of a variant with improved transmissibility.
If a significant immune breakout occurs, current vaccines are likely to still provide some benefit to individuals.
At the population level, however, they could induce viral selection and leakage, making the prospect of obtaining herd immunity increasingly remote.
This virological game changer has many consequences, not only for vaccines and treatments, but also for prevention and control strategies.
The long-awaited end of this global health crisis could be continually postponed, as new variants emerge and immune evasion reduces the effectiveness of vaccination in the short to medium term.
Therefore, it is time to abandon fear-based approaches, based on seemingly random and stop-start generalized containment as the primary response to the pandemic; approaches that expect citizens to wait patiently until intensive care units are strengthened, full vaccination is achieved and herd immunity is achieved.
The populations have so far been relatively satisfied, but their doubts and mistrust are visible in the protest movements in several countries.
The impact of general lockdown on entire economies has been devastating, and the worst is yet to come in terms of unemployment rates and national debt.
The social and health consequences (including mental health) are also colossal, especially for the younger generations, despite being at low risk in terms of morbidity and mortality from infection with SARS-CoV-2.
To best ensure the success of mass vaccination - regardless of its hoped-for impact on transmission - and to slow the emergence of new variants, while avoiding general containment, governments must integrate and enforce available measures to a much more targeted way on different generational groups.
Different age groups are not affected in the same way by the virus; from March to June 2020, 96% of additional COVID-19-related deaths in Europe occurred in patients over the age of 70, 6
Fundamentally, the new approach should be based on a clear and transparent social contract, anchored in the available data and accurately applied to its range of generational goals.
As part of this social contract, the younger generations could accept the constraint of preventive measures (eg: masks, physical distancing) provided that the older and more vulnerable groups adopt not only these measures, but also more specific measures. (eg: voluntary self-isolation according to vulnerability criteria) to reduce their risk of infection.
Measures to encourage the adherence of vulnerable groups to specific measures must be encouraged in a consistent manner and applied fairly.
The implementation of such an approach must be done in a sensitive manner and in conjunction with the deployment of vaccination in the different target populations, including all generations of society.
It is no longer possible to use general stop-start containment as the main response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
While appealing to many scientists and a default measure for political leaders fearing legal liability for slow or indecisive national responses, its use should be reconsidered, only
to be used as a last resort.
We scientists working against COVID-19 must have the courage to speak to those in power, who bear ultimate responsibility for the policies chosen and their consequences.
If this responsibility is shirked or delayed, the inevitable day of reckoning could be terrible.
This text is no other than the translation of the article written by certain members of the Scientific Council, including their president, in The Lancet
Online with some of their spring 2020 reports and that I had already noted at the time and which, of course, were not followed by the executive
What makes Alain Tranchant say that The Scientific Council enters into ... conspiracy! Alain's Cutting Edge opinion and choke with rage some nofaketruc
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Grelinette wrote:Christophe wrote:What were we saying at the time? When Renault coughs, France catches a cold ...
When Air-France beats its wings, France loses altitude ... (or "leaves feathers there" )
You are too nice there
"When Air France dives, France crashes"... seems more suitable to me!
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The UN ate the same meal as the Scientific Council (or even the WHO) or what ... they have to give us their recipe
In January, it was first of all the WHO which recommended putting the hola on folk interpretations of PCR tests ....
Result the number of positives has plummeted since this historic day in the USA
Too bad they did not go so far as to impose a number of CTs on all laboratories in the world
Now the UN denounces The pandemic is a "pretext" used by some states to repress and abolish freedoms, deplores the UN
Well mazette
In January, it was first of all the WHO which recommended putting the hola on folk interpretations of PCR tests ....
Result the number of positives has plummeted since this historic day in the USA
Too bad they did not go so far as to impose a number of CTs on all laboratories in the world
Now the UN denounces The pandemic is a "pretext" used by some states to repress and abolish freedoms, deplores the UN
UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres lamented Monday that the Covid-19 epidemic is being used by certain countries, which he did not mention, to silence “dissonant voices” and the media.
Well mazette
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