Cigarette smoking and its dangers

[James]

I did not see any trace on it forum, but for me, one of the scourges of this century is still cigarettes. The tobacco industry brews billions and people are still dying of cancer and all kinds of diseases related to tobacco and the carcinogens in it. Why are the authorities doing nothing to fight this?

[Obamot]

Good question!

First of all, we don't live in a perfect world, otherwise it would be known ...

Then the authorities do, but probably not enough to the taste of some.

It would be well to totally ban advertising, this is already the case in all of Europe since 2005 internationally (but curiously not everywhere locally ...). So it would be well to extend it further to cinemas, posters, commercial means, such as ashtrays or parasols, motor vehicles, etc. The same should apply to the sponsorship of purely local events (but then it would be well to offer other sources of funding for associations) because for the moment there are still multiple sectors which escape this ban. ..

Source: our-planete.info, http://www.notre-planete.info/actualite ... erdite.php

That's a good point. Banning smoking in public places has been a historic measure (but is this the case everywhere in Europe?). We can not say that nothing is done!

Then, the real scourge is the people who buy them, without them there would be no tobacco industry!

And: "reason about people who smoke", have you already tried?

After, the measures taken are often based on local statistics, if we do not want to fall into prohibition.

There is no better solution for the moment than raising awareness among young people. What other measures would you see?

[hic]

Hi LebrOn

Ban smoking in your apartment
- Which is the least of things.

[Janic]

hello lebron

I did not see any trace on it forum, but for me, one of the scourges of this century is still cigarettes. The tobacco industry brews billions and people are still dying of cancer and all kinds of diseases related to tobacco and the carcinogens in it. Why are the authorities doing nothing to fight this?

Tobacco and alcoholic beverages have an almost equivalent death toll, which means that tobacco is no more, no less, a scourge that is also part of culture.
We must not lose sight of the fact that these deadly industries generate many jobs and in turn a very large part of therapists who would also find themselves unemployed if alcohol and tobacco (and many other toxic products) were no longer consumed.

[hic]

And: "reason about people who smoke", have you already tried?

Hi obamot

good question, psychology

And reason with people who eat? you tried

Even a heart after an infractus will say to fuck

like a lung cancer smoker by his tracheostomy.

While cardiovascular disease kills the most, breaking records !!!!

besides that, alcohol and tobacco is cat pee

Food !! ¨ More difficult to target (because you can't stop eating I know me)

[Obamot]

Well there was a slight digression with the verb "be"...

No one could reason with us if "we were", because there we would already be dead ...

I smoke, you smoke, he smokes ... we were ... that's down I am ashamed!

In fact, completely removing advertising would only save 7% of lives ... While cardio and degenerative diseases together, that's almost 80% of pathologies, look for the error!

But the ad for junk food is admitted

[Janic]

Indeed, completely removing the ad would only save 7% of lives.

Impossible to quantify with certainty. You should know that advertising only affects adolescents and young adults who have not yet been "converted" by the example of their friends and girlfriends because the consumption of drugs is a kind of initiatory passage during the passage from childhood to adolescence. So the state (which receives large taxes on these drugs) should increase its lost revenues by other means.

[Obamot]

Hello Janic

This is according to a study by the World Bank, I am not inventing anything you will see.

Banning advertising can lead to a 7% reduction in smoking, but being in the marketing field, I would tend to say: much, much more! The problem is that advertising is not the only criterion ...

Source: World Bank
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTETC/Resources/375990-1089904539172/215TO236.PDF
http://www.notre-planete.info/actualites/actu_645_publicite_tabac_interdite.php

Okay we can't in principle "To predict a result on subjects who have not yet been" converted "and who therefore are not yet dead"!

This type of calculation has already been done (see the document of the WB above), it is a count based on statistics and what we know of the figures that bring advertising to the industry: then it suffice to make the macabre assessment! So we can check it when advertising has been banned in one region of the globe and not in another ...

But that is discussed ...
For example, sometimes the total suppression of advertising has a counterproductive effect on tobacco consumption! A kind of "internal struggle of rebellious peoples"by terrain of challenge interposed in some way (or via the risk with their health that they put in the balance or something there around) ... So, as paradoxical as it may be, there is a threshold of maximum preventive measures beyond which we would no longer be able to stem the consumption of substances causing (voluntarily or not) addiction (too much prevention would "kill prevention" ...). A theoretical threshold below which we could never go down lower in the consumption of "dependents" (in society as we know it today, you might as well specify it ...).

On the other hand, what we talk about less (if not at all) is the question of knowing: "why people smoke and drink or use drugs", what is this irrepressible need in some to destroy themselves? Or even to enlist in jihadism, to ride like hell on the roads, or to practice extreme sports to put their lives in danger, or even to compromise their professional or social "success" ....:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post275790.html#275790

I have recently had clearer ideas on this thorny question ...

And again: in the world where "competitiveness and the search for growth and profit at all costs" is in full swing, there are a lot of people left behind ... Poor types who have sworn allegiance to this cruel and ruthless and enthroned system in the highest spheres like B @ rroso, Juncker, Monti, Ob @ m @, Dr @ ghi (and the second knives like Holl @ nde Pdt "normal" of my two ... A socialist of such arrogance, who ostentatiously appoints a banker as minister and who "would not like the poor"we will have seen everything ...) these people are criminals in spite of themselves ... Unconscious and harmful (still it would be necessary to prove the will to harm ...) But it seems that they lead"the worst system and supposedly the least bad we would have found!"In the meantime they are leading us straight into a wall and at full speed (there is the war from the Urals to the Golan Heights, but they hardly see the cause and effect relationships, I wonder what all this is going on. give: at the "hunting board" there are for the hour many dead ...).

[James]

[/ quote] We must not lose sight of the fact that these deadly industries generate many jobs and in turn a very large part of therapists who would also find themselves unemployed if alcohol and tobacco (and many other toxic products) were not no longer consumed. [/ Quote]

I actually agree with you on this point janic, it's a vicious circle actually. On the one hand, sick people and on the other people who care for them. On the one hand, people who buy, on the other, people who produce.
In addition, now we also see the emergence of e-cigs, new e seal, ... etc Seriously, we must also say that we invent completely absurd things to make us consume right? But hey, that also helps to launch (or revive) the industry it depends.
After, indeed, from there to succeed in reasoning with a smoker, it is very difficult. I see on the side of my father, who has been smoking for years and years ... what a fight it was for him to reduce his consumption at least a little !!!

[Did67]

The industry sometimes has a good back [even if I absolutely don't want to whitewash it].

Basically, this was expressed above, there is an addiction.

And from there, the choice: prohibition / repression or free, controlled and supervised trade.

We remember what alcohol prohibition was in the United States and how another "industry", the Mafia, flourished.

Cannabis and its various derivatives, cocaine, crack, heroin, etc. are still prohibited in France.

With the success we know! Anyone does not take more than a few minutes to find it. The majority of teens have tried. A state of lawlessness in certain districts where this resale activity is managed and organized like an industry ...

We also mentioned information. Again: no one, absolutely no one today can ignore the negative health effects of these drugs, legal (alcohol or tobacco) or illegal (those mentioned) ...

We could broaden the debate and addiction to brands: today people are unhappy not to have the last Isomething, the one that has just been released. Young people cannot go to college without their "mark" ... France is depressed because it is the crisis, because we can no longer pay the heating, the rents, but at the same time, many are "addicted" to these brands ...

For me, at the bottom, there is that the man (the woman too!) Is a fragile psychological animal. Why do many doubt them, their skills to the point of needing a poster? Or doubt them so much that they need a smoke screen? And what about an increasingly thick smoke screen? And sometimes an even more brutal anesthetic? Why these chemical dreams? And sometimes slow suicide at the end ????

All the rest of the debate, it's just questions of flières, distribution of capital gains (and I am for a fairer distribution via the State, therefore a legalized, taxed sale, for the benefit of public actions - including repairing the damage, alas, that the community pays anyway! - rather than a parallel trade in the hands of a mafia, with any dealer who earns more than any honest worker! young people)...

Of course, I would like everyone to be balanced and happy. And can manage the annoyances inherent in life without using chemical crutches!

I just note that the man (and the woman) is often too fragile ...

Having the chance to drink a glass of wine "from time to time", the chance not to smoke and even less to bite myself, I do not judge ... The observation that I do hurts me somewhere (but no need chemical screen to hide it, this truth).