PV in China: impressive!

[sicetaitsimple]

According to these latest figures, the total installed power at the end of 2023 would be 603GW, including 217 installed in 2023.
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/02/02/ ... w-in-2023/

[Christophe]

Oh yes ! They are at the source!


ps: the link is kaputt…

[sicetaitsimple]

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/02/02/ ... w-in-2023/

[sicetaitsimple]

Oh yes ! They are at the source!

It’s the 217 in one year that amazed me the most! That’s around 600MWp per day!

[Christophe]

At 0.2€ per toilet ex factory in China, it's normal that they install so many...why would they deprive themselves of energy that is so simple to set up and maintain and so cheap during the day?

In the meantime, they are progressing towards a renewable society while what are we doing?
In Europe, it takes roughly 5 years of administrative procedures to build a PV park of a few MW...
In China, it probably takes 5 weeks...for tens or hundreds of MW

So it's us, the rich, who should set the example? Isn’t that what we said 15 years ago?

In reality, we are just in a TDC society...

[sicetaitsimple]

Why want to compare things that are not comparable?

[Christophe]

If they are:

a) we are surrounded by administrative TDCs which serve no purpose except to annoy people and apply stupid rules, rules often dictated by "our" lobbies...

b) we are the same planet which has the same climate problem as the Chinese

But let's not forget it's not (it's never) our fault, "Damn* Chinese (and foreigners in general) these big polluters..so there's no point in making efforts here" ...

Lost the bastards* have surpassed us in climatic virtue!

[NCSH]

At 0.2€ per toilet ex factory Chinait's normal that they ask so many... why would they deprive themselves of energy that is so easy to set up and maintain and so cheap during the day?

In the meantime, they are progressing towards a renewable society while what are we doing?
In Europe, it takes roughly 5 years of administrative procedures to build a PV park of a few MW...
In China, it probably takes 5 weeks...for tens or hundreds of MW

So it's us, the rich, who should set the example? Isn’t that what we said 15 years ago?

In reality, we are just in a TDC society...

0.2 € or $/Wp ex factory China certainly, but around 400 € or $/kWp installed in the end, on Chinese average (94 B€ or $ for 217 GWp during this year 2023).
Because it is necessary to count all the rest of the equipment, the light development work to obtain the total investment cost, ie the cost that must be taken into account in the accounting depreciation (or LCOE).


In many Western European countries, the deadlines for setting up a project are shorter.

On the other hand, it is a French specialty to have administrative procedures that allow procedures to be dragged out: many anti-renewable energy structures have rushed into them...
For certain projects, this can reach 7 or even 10 years!

This is even more obvious with regard to onshore wind power, the "bête noire" of nuclear maximalists: the average annual installations since 2010 is 1 MW, with a maximum of 200 in 1700, compared to 2017 annual average in Germany, with a maximum of 2 MW in 700!
This while French onshore wind potential is the first in Europe!

The recent French law (early 2023) aimed at "accelerating" the deployment of renewables is supposed to improve the legal context, however, as in many areas (such as agriculture), on the one hand we are making commitments to simplification, in the end we find ourselves with an even tighter administrative and legal straitjacket.

This is the plethoric French bureaucracy!

[sicetaitsimple]

b) we are the same planet which has the same climate problem as the Chinese

But let's not forget it's not (it's never) our fault, "Damn* Chinese (and foreigners in general) these big polluters..so there's no point in making efforts here" ...

Lost the bastards* have surpassed us in climatic virtue!

If I opened this topic, it was to “salute” the performance in a certain way!

Nevertheless, there is still a way to go (the long walk?). Half of the coal burned each year in the world is burned in China.

[NCSH]

Oh yes ! They are at the source!

It’s the 217 in one year that amazed me the most! That’s around 600MWp per day!

That's not how you should count!

For China, 217 GWp installed in 2023, that makes around 152 Wp/inhabitant/year, for 1426 Mhab. And 600 GWp, or 400 Wp/inhabitant installed.
For Europe, as in previous years, it is estimated at 40 GWp, or 90 WC/inhabitant/year for around 450 Mhab. 200 GWp, or 400 Wp/inhabitant installed.
For Germany, 14.3 GWp, or 171 WC/inhabitant/year for 83.3 Mhab. 81.3 GWp, or 1 Wp/inhabitant installed.
For France, 2.9 GWp estimated, or 44 WC/inhabitant/year for 66 Mhab (metropolitan France). And 17 GWp, or 250 Wp/inhabitant.

In the case of China and Germany, this represents respectively around 8% and 12% of the electricity produced in the year, less than 5 in France.
So summer days with 30% electricity from photovoltaic sources (German record at 38% in June, during a weekend).

It will therefore become increasingly difficult to “manage” the increase in PV in the electricity network.
Therefore essential deployment of daily type storage by electric batteries, which is already the case in Germany.
Before other solutions are deployed.

Despite Macron's boasting, France is still very far from setting an example in terms of energy transition!