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by Christophe » 29/12/12, 11:56

http://talent.paperblog.fr/5661938/l-am ... -monsanto/

Amaranth Rotten Monsanto's GMO Life

This plant is turning Monsanto's sweet dreams into nightmares.

GMOs, for Monsanto, is the absolute answer to insect predation.

For environmentalists, and for many responsible citizens, GMOs are a threat to the environment.
But where all the activists in the world break their teeth against the mighty Loybby GMO, a little plant is resisting.
Amaranth is a plant well known to our ancestors, since the Incas considered it a sacred plant.
But for the GMO lobby, it is rather a "sacred" plant.
Each plant produces around 12.000 seeds per year, and the leaves contain vitamins A, C and mineral salts.
It is even richer in protein than soy, yet considered a champion in the matter.
Dietitians claim that the protein of amaranth is of higher quality than that of cow's milk.
They recommend using ground amaranth seeds, mixed with wheat, to make bread, which gives them a delicious nutty flavor.
But back to GMOs.
The scene of the "drama" took place in the USA, in Macon, Georgia.
A farmer noticed in 2004 that some amaranth shoots were resistant to Roundup, which he generously watered his soybean plants.
The fields affected by this pigweed included a seed which had received a Roundup resistance gene.
Since that date, the phenomenon has spread to other states: South Carolina, North Carolina, Arkansas, Tenesse and Missouri.
On July 25, 2005, the Guardian published an article by Paul Brown which revealed that modified genes had passed to natural plants, creating a seed resistant to herbicides.
What confirms the experts of the CEH (center for ecology and hydrology), and what contradicts the assertions of pro-GMOs who have always claimed that a hybridization between a genetically modified plant, and a natural plant was impossible.
For the British geneticist, Brian Johnson, who specializes in problems linked to agriculture: “it only takes one successful crossing on several million possibilities. As soon as it is created, the new plant has a huge selective advantage and it multiplies quickly. The powerful herbicide used here, based on glyphosphate and ammonium, exerted enormous pressure on the plants which further increased the speed of adaptation ”.
The only solution left to the farmers was to uproot the amaranth plants by hand.
Except that this plant takes root very deeply, making this solution almost impossible to achieve.
Suddenly, the farmers gave up this uprooting.
5000 hectares have so far been abandoned altogether, and another 50.000 hectares are threatened.
Since then, there are more and more of these American farmers who give up using GM plants, firstly because they cost more and more expensive, and the profitability is put in agriculture as elsewhere, and finally because the effectiveness of GMOs is questionable in the light of what is happening.
For Alan Rowland, producer and marketer of soybean seeds in Dudley, Missouri, no one is asking for more Monsanto seeds, to the point that GMO seeds have simply disappeared from his catalog.
However, this represented 80% of his catalog until recently.
He finds that farmers are now returning to traditional farming.
As Sylvie Simon says in an article to appear in the journal "votre santé".
Amaranth is a kind of boomerang returned by nature to Monsanto.
“It neutralizes the predator, and settles in places where it can feed humanity in the event of famine. It supports most climates, both dry regions and monsoon areas, and tropical highlands and has no problems with insects or disease, so will never need chemicals " .
Will plants succeed where all anti GMO activists in the world have so far failed?

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by BobFuck » 29/12/12, 12:21

Fabulous, thank you nature : Mrgreen:

I have to plant it in my garden, I would like to taste it. Anyone know where to find edible variety seed?
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by Christophe » 29/12/12, 12:36

+1

We already had a subject on this "specificity" of amaranth: https://www.econologie.com/forums/amarante-1 ... t7846.html
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by Obamot » 29/12/12, 18:18

Shouldn't you expect it sooner or later ...?

And there is not yet a disaster, surely worse!

Do not understand why humans subject the sailors and even astronauts returning from the Moon to quarantine, if man does even worse by plugging boxon into the genome of plants on our planet ...!? : roll: : Shock:
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by gegyx » 29/12/12, 19:44

In Wikipedia:
Some species are common weeds in cultivated fields. Amaranth became known to the general public when a population resistant to Roundup herbicide appeared in Georgia (USA). The plant adapted to it and multiplied in the fields treated with the herbicide Roundup by a greater capacity of resistance. When this population was discovered, the hypothesis, now overturned, horizontal gene transfer from GM herbicide-resistant corn has spread in the press and blogs1,2,3.


Should you know? : Cheesy:

I read 1 or 2 years ago in the local duck that amaranth was an endemic weed calamity. No way to get rid of it, that it was a plague (of the same kind as rabies, or capricorn)
In crops, but especially in ditches ...

Indeed, that made a significant additional cost (on our taxes) for the mowing, and even the uprooting which was envisaged ...
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by BobFuck » 30/12/12, 01:40

Yes, the transfer of genes between corn and amaranth is obviously not possible.

It is evolution, quite simply: nature adapts, it is used to it.
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by Obamot » 30/12/12, 12:59

We are being hit again with DD (t)

Bob are you having problems with hybrid hormones, or is crossbreeding with PB24xx natural for you? : Cheesy: : Mrgreen:

Already in 2005, hybridizations occurred, not with corn but with rapeseed ... and turnips!

Furthermore, to resist a deadly herbicide, it would take many years for a plant to get there, if it ever succeeds ... In all these cases, these transmutations occurred relatively spontaneously. It's not as if it were a simple harmless adaptation of the plant to its environment, it happened to happen during tests made by the government. I doubt that scientists so mandated have made such misinterpretations as you claim. In any case they confirm:

Paul Brown, The Gardian, Monday July 25, 2005 wrote:Genetically modified crops create
super weeds, say scientists


[...] "genes modified in a field of transgenic culture were transferred into local wild plants creating a form of" super weeds "resistant to herbicides, reveals the Gardian" [...]

Cross-fertilization [...] had been ruled out as practically impossible by scientists from the Ministry of the Environment. It was found during a three-year follow-up by the government during GMO crop trials which ended two years ago. [...]

[...] The new resistant form of charlock grew more and more among other plants, in the field which had been used for the cultivation of GMO rapeseed. When scientists treated it with the deadly herbicide, it did not show any harmful effects. [...]

[...] Contrary to the results of the initial tests, which had been the subject of large-scale press conferences by scientists, the discovery of hybrid plants [...] has not been announced. [...]

[...] Scientists also took seeds of other "weeds" from the field [where the] rapeseed [GMO] had grown and grew them in the laboratory. They found that two wild turnips were resistant to herbicides. [...]

[...] Brian Johnson, an ecological geneticist and member of the government's scientific panel that evaluated the on-farm trials, has no doubts about the importance [of this discovery]
- "You only need one in several million events. As soon as it has taken place the 'new plant' has a huge selective advantage. This plant then multiplies rapidly."[...]



The current controversy lies more in the fact that certain scientists (at the orders of the industry?) Still assert that the weeds resulting from these crosses would not reproduce (although this was invalidated by the cultivation of mutant "weeds" in the laboratory!), than in the fact that they would deny it.

Because indeed what is interesting here, is that these scientists who live in denial, have now admitted that a barrier had been crossed, whereas only yesterday, they said that impossible. Now we know that these plants have inherited this genetic trait of resistance to herbicides designed by Montsanto because of their denial. It is suggested that the crossing was done in the air by mixing pollens or by pollination by insects. Other cases of adverse reactions have occurred in Canada.

In any case, the effect is there, the transgenic plants lead to the creation of "super weeds". The only way to fix it is to remove the cause!
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by Ahmed » 30/12/12, 20:18

Already in 2005, hybridizations occurred, not with corn but with rapeseed ... and turnips!

These two plants are from the same cruciferous family, which explains the ease of gene transfer, in the case of corn and amaranth the inter-specific distance is greater, but why not, if the fact is proven.

Anyway, the problem is not technical, even if the nuance is important and, as you say the important thing is to give up.
To give up a technique fraught with uncontrolled effects and which, if it reached a maturity which it does not have to date, would always have considerable social impacts, impacts which are enough to condemn it.
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by Christophe » 25/02/13, 14:27

Another article: The opinion of another scientist: http://www.lapresse.ca/environnement/co ... netete.php

"We have done the best study in the world on the toxicity of genetically modified organisms."

Gilles-Éric Séralini persists and signs. The University of Caen biologist, whose study linking genetically modified organisms (GMOs) to cancer sparked controversy last fall, was not shaken by the rain of criticism he received from researchers and regulatory authorities from a dozen western countries.

On the contrary. "There is laxity or dishonesty in those who criticize my results, when they say nothing about the results of studies carried out by the manufacturers of GMOs and pesticides," he explained yesterday in a restaurant in the Ahuntsic district. , on the eve of a conference he is giving this afternoon at the biological sciences pavilion of the University of Quebec in Montreal. "They say nothing because these results are secret, even though they have been submitted to government approval committees. And often because they are the ones who sit on these committees. ”

With seven other researchers, Mr. Séralini followed 200 rats for two years - which corresponds to their normal life expectancy. They observed that rats fed on feed made from genetically modified corn suffered and died more from cancer than rats fed on feed made without GMOs. He has published his work in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology, in a book and in a documentary.

It has received numerous methodological criticisms. He is criticized in particular for not having made all his data public, as is the custom. "I will do it when Monsanto's data becomes public," he says. Monsanto is the manufacturer of Corn and the pesticide Roundup, which this GMO resists.

Regarding the technical criticism of the statistical method which allowed him to conclude that GMOs and Roundup promote cancer, Mr. Séralini explains that the complexity of the data collected required a different analysis from other studies showing the carcinogenic potential of substances . This method, he says, is brand new - barely two years old.

In his book Tous guinea pigs! , the Norman biologist says that pollution, especially that caused by the food industry, is alone responsible for the increase in the number of chronic diseases and cancers in recent decades. According to him, pollutants create "diseases of cellular communication".

When La Presse asked him for a benchmark study on this subject, he explained that there are many, but that no meta-analysis takes stock of the issue.

Why did he not publish such a meta-analysis himself in a scientific journal, instead of doing it in a popular book, without peer review? "I have been very busy with my study," he replied.
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by Janic » 25/02/13, 17:01

Why did he not publish such a meta-analysis himself in a scientific journal, instead of doing it in a popular book, without peer review? "I have been very busy with my study," he replied.
but also probably because of the urgency of the information which through meta analysis, scientific journals, peer-reviewed (but which ones exactly?) could have lasted a few more years, or even never be communicated to the general public (conspiracy theory as usual) Direct communication prevents the famous law of silence from striking again!
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