VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?

Current Economy and Sustainable Development-compatible? GDP growth (at all costs), economic development, inflation ... How concillier the current economy with the environment and sustainable development.
phil59
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2223
Registration: 09/02/20, 10:42
x 510

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by phil59 » 07/01/23, 00:27

Christophe wrote:
It's true: we are nothing, that's the business of politicians or rather politicians!



You probably mean money, banks, etc.

: Arrow:
0 x
hmmmmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm, huh, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

: Oops: : Cry: :( : Shock:
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79386
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11074

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Christophe » 07/01/23, 00:32

It's not the same thing ?
0 x
phil59
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2223
Registration: 09/02/20, 10:42
x 510

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by phil59 » 07/01/23, 00:46

Well, no, the politicians are the puppets....
0 x
hmmmmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm, huh, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

: Oops: : Cry: :( : Shock:
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79386
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11074

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Christophe » 07/01/23, 01:00

Whose puppets?

So it's the same thing... 8)
0 x
phil59
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2223
Registration: 09/02/20, 10:42
x 510

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by phil59 » 07/01/23, 01:08

It is an effect, not a cause.
0 x
hmmmmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm, huh, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

: Oops: : Cry: :( : Shock:
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79386
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11074

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Christophe » 07/01/23, 01:10

In effect; keep talking ! : Mrgreen:
0 x
User avatar
Remundo
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 16185
Registration: 15/10/07, 16:05
Location: Clermont Ferrand
x 5263

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Remundo » 07/01/23, 08:41

Christophe wrote:So no VAT does not penalize the poor!

it's a bit simplistic.

This is why NDA proposes to lower the VAT on basic necessities.

Basing all taxation on a large VAT is also a bit simplistic.

But in fact in France, VAT is a gigantic tax that comes close to this idea.
1 x
Image
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79386
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11074

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Christophe » 07/01/23, 11:24

Yes it is simplistic and then if it is effective?

This may be what we need right now, simplicity!!

It's not passing the VAT from 5.5% to 0% (therefore a price drop of 5.2%) that will make people less poor... how much is the current inflation on food products?

Hold on thinking about it between 2021 and 2022:

We have already had the equivalent of a 100% (and more) VAT increase on certain food products as a result!

This is a good test:

a) Are these products no longer sold at all? NO but certainly less than before (Personally, I refuse to buy 75cl of olive oil for more than 10€... same with the stere of wood for more than 100€ or the bag of pellets for more than 8 €: I'd rather be leaner, I have room to spare, and be colder than fatten up assholes$... : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: )

b) This crazy extra money therefore falls into the pockets of big pigs there and does not go to the common good... (assuming that the VAT does not reimburse the burden of the debt, which is not earned)...

c) There was almost no compensation on people's incomes (except for a few pitiful energy checks...)

So a substantial increase in VAT is quite possible with compensation on other contributions!
0 x
Ahmed
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 12309
Registration: 25/02/08, 18:54
Location: Burgundy
x 2970

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Ahmed » 07/01/23, 12:11

The stere of wood is masculine, if the two genders coexisted, there would be no more problems producing firewood! : Oops:

As for simplicity, it is not always desirable: the proof is that this forum abuses it by too often skimping on reasoning... : Mrgreen:
1 x
"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79386
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11074

Re: VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Christophe » 07/01/23, 12:13

Pfffff...answers more on the substance than on the form: haven't we had the equivalent of a 150% VAT increase on certain food products in recent months?

Then I talk to you more! Naughty! : Lol:
0 x

Back to "Economy and finance, sustainability, growth, GDP, ecological tax systems"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 94 guests