Photovoltaic profitability: 3 to 4 years in Belgium!

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by C moa » 21/08/09, 14:16

Un article interesting that shows what should happen in not too long in our two countries.

the German solar industry is also suffering from the drying up of certain markets, foremost among which: Spain. After a policy of very generous support granted to solar power stations, Madrid stopped its expensive policy quite brutally. A new thorn in the shoe of Berlin which is not outdone on the subsidy side. The weekly Die Zeit has calculated that at the current rate subsidies for solar electricity could soon cost € 77 billion in Berlin.


In the article, they also talk about Chinese signs and a couple of other things ....

When will the same policy for wind power ??
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by Macro » 21/08/09, 14:17

In addition, the panels must be integrated into the roof, replacing the traditional roofing material ...

The prices announced in the above text are well below that of an installation on a building that should be discovered and rehabilitated for this ...

800 € of connection ... Bite my eye ... For 800 € a specialized ERDF technician presents you with a quote ...

The figures I gave correspond to an offer I asked for on Monday ...

without the demolition evacuation part of the old

my concern is that the roof section that I would like to equip is rather south southwest than full south ... And at 45 ° ... at 17pm in summer

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by Christophe » 21/08/09, 14:26

C moa wrote:Un article interesting that shows what should happen in not too long in our two countries.


It's already happening c moa! "Fortunately" in France, there is no PV manufacturer !!! Mwarf!

13.08.2009 Q-Cells announces comprehensive set of measures
- Sales fall in first half-year by 36.8 per cent to 366.2 million Euro, EBIT negative at -47.6 million Euro
- Production volume 272.2 MWp
- Set of measures decided on to adjust capacities and to lower costs, strengthen technology position and secure liquidity reserves


After years of growth, the German solar cell manufacturer Q-Cells is facing deep difficulties. The company announces 500 job cuts.

Between January and June, the group's losses amounted to almost 700 million euros. The previous year, over the same period, a profit of 82,1 million euros was recorded.


Suite and source: http://www.enerzine.com/1/8138+en-diffi ... lois+.html

Another article on the subject:

After years of euphoric growth, the German solar industry fears a surge that should leave few survivors in the face of fierce Chinese competition.

It was only necessary on Monday to observe the TecDax, this technological index of the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, nicknamed "SunDax" because of the domination of solar energy stocks.

Q-Cells, Conergy, Solon, Solarworld: all the major bluish cell manufacturers were in the red. Since their stock records posted in early 2008, some stocks have tumbled more than 30%.


Suite and source: http://www.lesechos.fr/depeches/science ... 175418.htm

I like the passage:

Etkan Aycicek, sector specialist for state-owned bank LBBW, for example, titled his latest major analysis: "Solar Darwinism: only the best will survive".
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by Christophe » 21/08/09, 14:32

Macro wrote:In addition, the panels must be integrated into the roof, replacing the traditional roofing material ...

The prices announced in the above text are well below that of an installation on a building that should be discovered and rehabilitated for this ...

800 € of connection ... Bite my eye ... For 800 € a specialized ERDF technician presents you with a quote ...

The figures I gave correspond to an offer I asked for on Monday ...

without the demolition evacuation part of the old

my concern is that the roof section that I would like to equip is rather south southwest than full south ... And at 45 ° ...
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a) Integrated in France is bullshit (undo to redo to undo to redo ??? bravo eco ... logic ...) to limit installations "unfavorable" to EdF I think ... We have a subject above: solar PV integrated in France, why?

b) South South West is a good orientation (afternoon sun).
And 45 ° is a little too much but it's not so catastrophic!

"Ideal" orientation valid for Belgium (in France make -5 to -10 ° on the slope):

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https://www.econologie.com/forums/orientatio ... t8051.html
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Re: Photovoltaic profitability: 3 to 4 years in Belgium!




by bham » 03/10/09, 10:08

Christophe wrote:A little free ad?

3 to 4 years of profitability on solar PV? This is possible thanks to the bonuses, tax incentives and the system of Green Certificates in Belgium, here are 2 advertising figures:

Note: it does not seem to be an adrenaline hype, because these numbers are confirmed by the actual quotes we asked for our current PV project ...

Christophe, I take your first post and I see on the last ad: "installation reimbursed in less than 3 and a half years, after this period net profit of € 2135 / year for 11 and a half years"
Does this mean that the buyout contract in Belgium is only 15 years?
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by Christophe » 07/12/09, 10:53

Yes that's it bham, but it's enough ... here we pay 21 cents per kWh (75% more than in France) then it's worth 5 years less subsidy : Cheesy:

ps: I do not know if I have already said it but these 2 "commercial prospectuses" correspond to REAL quotes that we have received.

Only the Walloon region has just removed the € 3500 premium (in order to move it towards insulation aid ...) so add 2 years unless installation prices fall ...

More info here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/arret-de-l ... t8888.html
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by bham » 07/12/09, 15:44

I no longer remembered the question, in any case thank you for answering it.
But I come back to the net profit / year of € 2535 which I don't really understand since they talk about a reduction in the electricity bill + green certificates, which seems to mean that part of the electricity produced is self-consumption.
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by Christophe » 07/12/09, 15:53

CVs are a 100% virtual market. It has no equivalent in France.

This subsidizes green electricity even consumed 100% internally: it is enough that there is a meter dedicated to the CV.

The repurchase cost depends on the "cleanliness" of the source which generates the kWh (well in theory because the PV receives a LOT more than the hydraulic pico - micro ... which is just as, if not more, clean. !)

So a "clean" kWh is a double gain:
a) - on the electricity bill
b) + on CVs
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