Eco2000 policy and Citroën!

[Flytox]

About CX, the evacuation of the air from the passenger compartment is interesting from an aero point of view for a car (not of competition) with shark style gills.

[Janic]

A prototype ???

Because the Dyna sold were heavier ...

of course, but it was a real ocean liner with 6 real seats, a huge trunk and therefore
Dimensions Panhard Levassor PL17 Tiger (1959-1961)

Length 458 cm
Width 167 cm
142 cm height
NC safe
820 kg weight
to compare with this model riquiqui, almost without trunk, it is therefore necessary to make a ratio, weight / consumption / and especially industrialization / cost of a vehicle as light.
consumption given for 6 l / 100 (so would be much less in the NEDC cycle) which can drop to 5 l in economical driving (on the roads).

[Did67]

OK

But if we "coefficients", then there is also the R4, which in its basic version with 600 cm3, weighed some 550 kg for 4 real seats + a large trunk or the 2 CV, which in its 425 cc version had to do around 500 kg (and always 4 real seats + a chest) ...

[I Citro]

The purpose of this subject is to remind us that it has been over 30 years that manufacturers know how to make vehicles consuming less than 3 liters per 100km but that they do not want to do them ...

We talked at length about this forum de the fabulous Mathis 333 built after the war (1946, almost 70 years) which already achieved this feat of minimalist car which gives the maximum.

I have been driving electric cars for quite a few years because they are the only vehicles available for 20 years which allow us to go below the 2 liter mark per 100km from an energy and budgetary point of view.

Indeed, I remind you here that for an individual, the price of electricity was still, in 2015, roughly equivalent to that of petrol or diesel. The possible savings with electric cars is therefore not due to the price of energy, but to the lack of waste of the electric motor compared to its thermal counterpart.

The small electric Volkswagen (e-UP) that we have been using for 1 year now (17.000km) is even more efficient because with the acceleration of a Golf GTI, it associates a consumption of 12kWh per 100km or the equivalent of 1.2litres to 100km ...


Unfortunately, like Peugeot, Citroën and Mitsubishi, Volkswagen has little enthusiasm to promote this wonderful car and it is an obstacle course to learn that it exists, to try it, and to acquire it ...

[Christophe]

Promotion video of the ECO2000 by PSA / Citroën: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiuLicYayY

[I Citro]

Audio visual and computer technologies have evolved, but those of the automobile were already ripe 30 years ago to manufacture the car at less than 3 liters per 100km ...

I do not understand that the public authorities have not imposed start & stop systems and prohibit the unnecessary operation of stopped motors when they are hot ...

[Christophe]

Bah eco2000 was not used for nothing ... dixit the conclusion of the small report ...

Since the AX was born a few years later and has certainly benefited from the eco2000 program ...

The diesel version was very economical! Less than 3.5L / 100 in 1992 ...

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3% ... ons_diesel

[I Citro]

Bah eco2000 was not used for nothing ...

Since the AX was born a few years later and has certainly benefited from the eco2000 program ...

The diesel version was very economical! Less than 3.5L / 100 in 1992 ...

And the electric AX version was also the most efficient of the 3 electric PSA 120V versions which differed only in the bodywork (AX, Saxo, 106).
If friends managed to cover almost 140km during the electrical challenges, we must admit that the AX was a little more Spartan than the 106 and the Saxo, and that they had worked on weight and aerodynamics (removal of equipment superfluous, replacement of windows with polycarbonate, ...).

[Macro]

The 1.4D axis was certainly economical and lively thanks to the featherweight of its motorized aluminum jacket .... But this engine was hardly enduring ... the 1.5 cast which followed was a workhorse if psa had developed in direct injection turbo I am sure it would have been a great device ...

when the efficiency of electric models ... Certainly 140km for the equivalent of 2 liters of oil ... But by being doubled by the 103 equipped with a carburetor of 15 ...
I arrive at more than 80km of autonomy with my new 106 electric on a charge of equalization ... But frankly from the smallest side I am at 50 an hour to monitor my econometre and freak out that an exited with a 180hp German TDI does not come to catapult me ​​on Saturn ...

[I Citro]

I was talking about efficiency ... No performance ...
PSA outsourced the production of first generation EVs.

In 20 years, brushless motors have become essential and their management electronics have reached maturity as Toyota has proven with the Prius for almost 15 years.

The Volkswagen e-Up is a remarkable example, Golf GTI accelerations and a consumption of 12kWh / 100km or 1.2 liters per 100km of oil equivalent with fairly complete current equipment (ABS, ESP, Air conditioning, ...) .