Europe 1: engines boosted with water

[Christophe]

In the wake of the TF1 report (cf: https://www.econologie.com/kit-moteur-a- ... -3850.html )

Europe 1 has made a broadcast on water doping.

To listen here: http://www.europe1.fr/Info/Actualite-Ec ... es-a-l-eau

[Remundo]

Small friendly report.

He speaks well of "optimization of combustion", he does not speak enough of the heat recovery at the exhaust reinjected into the cylinders which plays a certain role while for combustion, it is more hypothetical, especially if too much water is injected ...

By the way, the kit is way too expensive.

My ear was gently rocked by the Auvergnat "accihent" of the peasant interviewed.

Finally, ideas evolve ... by the force of things

[Christophe]

And yes it took 7 years for the media to talk about water doping properly without speculative hyptheses.
For your 2 remarks:

a) The thermodynamic loopback is not huge ... the calculations you will see that compared to the losses of the exhaust is some%. (less than 3 if I remember correctly).

b) the expensive kit ??? But what are you saying?

The farmer says saving 15 € per day or say 400 € per month!

A 1000 € the kit for tractor ... it is a return in 3 MONTH! Compared to 5 15 ANNNES Classic RE? Do you want to convert to months to laugh? Subsidies included oil while doping is NOT subsidized by oil or nuclear ...

There's nothing to say ... "we" don't give a damn about our faces yeah.

[Remundo]

For a farmer who trailed a plow 8 plows sinking 1,2 meters in the ground, it is amortized, but for a car, much less ...

700 euros out of manpower, that makes 1000 Euros TTC, ie 666L of gasoline to 1,5 Euros / L

And the system is supposed to save 1,5L / 100 km for an average car.

So we have to go 666 / 1.5 x 100 = 44 400 km to navigate.

I'm not saying it's unfeasible, I'm saying that the price of the system deserves a lot less. The ideal would be that it is integrated as soon as the car is made ... Utopiste

On the thermodynamic looping, it is true that there have already been a lot of losses in the muffler. Maybe that's why he does not talk about it.

This is why the system should be mounted in direct gas outlet, ie in the exhaust manifold. All this is in this case far from being negligible, those who have turbo engines know it well (the energy is here partially recovered on a turbine). An improvement in engine efficiency of 5 to 10% is not uncommon between the same "atmo" and "turbo" unit, with equal power of course.

But of course, the heat exchanger on exhaust manifold is completely non-standard and incommercialisable, except to cost a fortune for the quidam ...

The skilled handymen can however meet the challenge

[Christophe]

Ben and a new car it takes how many km?

KK1 from forum had estimated 180 000km ...EVER amortized for most gasoline cars ...

Otherwise I have never suggested the development of a kit car ... there is much more to gain in terms of volume saved on agriculture and industry ... compared to investment.

It will be hard to get the price of a kit below 500 € TTC I think ... compare the 2000 € a kit LPG (but the price is pipoté by tax credits)

In fact here is the diagram of the car kit:


http://www.ecopra.com/home/index462.html

[Remundo]

Thank you Christophe link.

Hehe, I saw "Aspiration of plasma by depression" like what they can not help but get out of the nonsense (plasma!) thinking they're smart.

Otherwise, for the rest of the system, there is not much to criticize. The fresh water gets warm in the pot, then gradually is directed to the high temperature just at the exhaust outlet.

It is indeed this kind of solution that should be mounted, especially on stationary diesel, such as tractors and construction equipment. It combines thermal recycling and possible combustion optimization due to the presence of water and / or its derivatives (ions, radicals).

It is also a pity that it is not generalized to cars and trucks because they are the ones who make most of the fuel consumption.

When you see the "gas factories" that are the EGR and high pressure electronic injection, it is not a technical obstacle to incorporate this beast circulation of water ...

[Christophe]

Thank you Christophe link.

Hehe, I saw "Aspiration of plasma by depression" like what they can not help but get out of the nonsense (plasma!) thinking they're smart. |

Oh no, be careful!

PAAAAAAAAS OK !!

When you see the "gas factories" that are the EGR and high pressure electronic injection, it is not a technical obstacle to incorporate this beast circulation of water ...

Yes, it would be the story of a few weeks for any BE from a major manufacturer ...

They must have their reasons not to do it ... for now ...

[Remundo]

Are you going to annoy them?

[Christophe]

No, but I will mail them immediately ...

[Other]

Hello

Regarding the media whether it is SetV or Paris match
I think that the quality of the surveys, the journalists has become superficial see (baclé done on the internet,) and they write what the reader likes to hear, they learned that to rub the politicians.

In the last Paris Match there is only to read the cover on the 400e of the city of Quebec, to see that they are next to the plate by mixing the province of Quebec and the city of Montreal.
a baclé article for such a big international newspaper.

Andre