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Unread Messageby nico239 » 12/01/19, 14:38

ENERC wrote:
nico239 wrote:No, but where did you see that we are in a capitalist system :?: :?: :?:

We are very far Image

With 57% of GDP going into public finances we are closer to Stalinism than to capitalism. Not to mention the contribution of the deficit each year ...


Among others .... but do not believe it's "the same" in the private .... : Mrgreen:
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Unread Messageby Grelinette » 13/01/19, 16:22

Revelations about Amazon's industrial waste, accused of destroying millions of new objects ...

In the report broadcast in "Capital", a journalist from the chain managed to get hired as a warehouseman in one of Amazon's warehouses in Saran, in the Loiret, where he filmed the company's practices.

He was able to demonstrate the mess practiced by the American giant, at a time when we talk about recovery and reuse of objects. In the depot site where the journalist is assigned, large containers are loaded with coffee machines, televisions, diapers or other new toys, all destined to be destroyed.

At issue: contracts between Amazon's platform and sellers to whom the company proposes to return or destroy their unsold copies, even if they are new, to limit storage costs. In one of the company's smaller storage sites in France, more than 290 000 nearly new items were scrapped in just 9 months.

If we add up all the US giant's warehouses, it is potentially more than 3 million new products that would be thrown away each year, according to the M6 reporter.



https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2019/01/1 ... _23640921/

http://www.rfi.fr/economie/20190112-gac ... te-capital

and, the pinnacle of absurdity:
https://www.amazon.fr/Gaspillage-alimen ... limentaire

It's not won friends! :(
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Grelinette wrote:Revelations about Amazon's industrial waste, accused of destroying millions of new objects ...

In the report broadcast in "Capital", a journalist from the chain managed to get hired as a warehouseman in one of Amazon's warehouses in Saran, in the Loiret, where he filmed the company's practices.

He was able to demonstrate the mess practiced by the American giant, at a time when we talk about recovery and reuse of objects. In the depot site where the journalist is assigned, large containers are loaded with coffee machines, televisions, diapers or other new toys, all destined to be destroyed.

At issue: contracts between Amazon's platform and sellers to whom the company proposes to return or destroy their unsold copies, even if they are new, to limit storage costs. In one of the company's smaller storage sites in France, more than 290 000 nearly new items were scrapped in just 9 months.

If we add up all the US giant's warehouses, it is potentially more than 3 million new products that would be thrown away each year, according to the M6 reporter.



https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2019/01/1 ... _23640921/

http://www.rfi.fr/economie/20190112-gac ... te-capital

and, the pinnacle of absurdity:
https://www.amazon.fr/Gaspillage-alimen ... limentaire

It's not won friends! :(


I do not want to get discouraged, but the skips and shredders are everywhere ... just like the bans for the staff to take the goods at the end of the race.

Decathlon warehouses are crushing a pack of goods in perfect condition.

With us they claim to give to associations but lack of luck we find quite a lot of these "donations" in large skips on the parking lot.

In short it is a BINDING law that should be laid to avoid this culture of the destruction of well in working order ...

If we do not do that, it's dead.
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 13/01/19, 20:03

These goods are destroyed because they fail to achieve their real purpose: to increase the capital invested in them through the merchant exchange; their intact use value is thus no longer of interest and giving them would help to bypass the merchant exchange (to make it more difficult for merchandise brought to the market). This way of managing the unsold is therefore perfectly logical with regard to the objectives of the economy, only those who did not understand this will be surprised.
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Unread Messageby Exnihiloest » 14/01/19, 21:04

If you do not buy anything new, what do you see as a replacement activity for the millions of players in the production sector?
Does not renouncing the pleasures of (superfluous) superfluity not be a form of religious fundamentalism, such as flogging or compelling oneself to pilgrimages?
Is there not also a risk of stagnation of societies since technological innovations have always been a stimulating source for the progress of ideas, for how can one distinguish without trying it what would be a useful novelty of a product resembling the past?
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 14/01/19, 22:24

Go back to your bank :)
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 14/01/19, 22:53

If you do not buy anything new, what do you see as a replacement activity for the millions of players in the production sector?

This seemingly trivial question * is quite extraordinary if we examine it in the long run: indeed, except under capitalism (whether private or state) it would have caused astonishment because of the lack of Consideration for the work and the evidence that it was opportune and easy to live without or with the least possible ... What would have appeared as excellent news is perceived as a catastrophe under capitalism.
Slavery, which was an ancient solution, is not the cause of this disdain, but its consequence. The first English industrial revolution consisted of transforming the work of winter and complementary weaving of peasants into intensive and controlled work. domestic system au factory system, so to avoid the usual self-limitation of work to the bare necessities ...
The machines did not prove to be substitute slaves because of the reversal of roles ...

Do not we also risk a stagnation of societies ...

It is a vision very early nineteenth century, which assigns a scale of value between different cultures with that of the anthropologist as stallion!

* In addition, the very movement of technical innovation inexorably destroys work, which is an internal contradiction ...
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Exnihiloest wrote:If you do not buy anything new, what do you see as a replacement activity for the millions of players in the production sector?
Does not renouncing the pleasures of (superfluous) superfluity not be a form of religious fundamentalism, such as flogging or compelling oneself to pilgrimages?
Is there not also a risk of stagnation of societies since technological innovations have always been a stimulating source for the progress of ideas, for how can one distinguish without trying it what would be a useful novelty of a product resembling the past?


To generalize in this case does not serve much since neither one (to buy only secondhand), nor the other (to buy only new) will not occur.

The two will rub should not contrary law: one can always prohibit to roll the vehicles (or other) of more than x years.

But apart from a law: don, occasion and nine have good days in front of them.
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Ahmed wrote:* In addition, the very movement of technical innovation inexorably destroys the work


Uh, are you sure of that?

Would not he replace it with another one?

After I agree that we can prefer the work from before to work according to: example the manual work to the robotic work but both remain "works".
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 15/01/19, 10:58

In a world of overproduction and abundance (and this is our world) Exnihiloest's argument is completely phony !! We produce and consume far too many new products ... so there is a margin before it destroys jobs * ... especially since we can not say that most of these products are manufactured here! !

Yes Ahmed is right: technical progress destroys jobs, this is called societal progress! The fact that a lot of politicians who are (and are) stuck in the last millennium have a hard time saying ...

Recent example: a few weeks ago some people condemned the electric car in advance because it was going to destroy jobs because of its reduced maintenance costs ... so what?

Was not it the same thing that happened when the mechanical horses (= the car) replaced the horses ...
When the telegraph replaced the couriers ...
More recently when emails replaced letters ...

In short must stop crying on his little lot and adapt to the changing world, is not that the intelligence? : Mrgreen:

I know it's easier said than done, the concern is that it changes at a speed that humanity has never known ...

* Useless jobs for many: I produce a crappy product or service that I sell to you, and you do the same ... what's the point of working? Stay in a doctrine? Do you have to work to live? But of course...
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