The deniers of reality, a long tradition

[Forhorse]

Arrived at such a level of bullshit I think we can not do anything anymore.
And another thing that bothers me more is that with that there is an unpleasant hint of homophobia barely concealed (the good old talk of the 80 years: AIDS is a disease of PD). Behind extracts of (pseudo) scientific literature, there is in fact a well camouflaged religious ideology.
And anyway, when we fall into the religious, arguments no longer make sense.

We come back to what I said, that or the flat earth, basically the concept is the same, it's just the catalyst that is different.

[Janic]

Arrived at such a level of bullshit I think we can not do anything anymore.

Indeed your case is desperate, (Izentrop like you) but keep confidence, it even happens to the blind to regain sight.

And another thing that bothers me more is that with that there is an unpleasant hint of homophobia barely concealed

what bothers me is a relent of ignorance and not to want to know like the three monkeys: to see nothing, to hear nothing, but not to say, how do you sayArrived at such a level of bullshit I think we can not do anything anymore. Oh, yes, that's it!
Now, after these kindnesses, have you made a very small, all, very little effort to inform you?

(The good old talk of the 80 years: AIDS is a pd disease).

AIDS is not a disease of PD as you say since it is declared everywhere in the world in Mr and Mrs everyone straight. Similarly, a mother who is expecting a baby can not be considered as a PD and yet her CD4 rate may be as low as in AIDS patients, whether or not she is CDA, and since this is what is considered typical of AIDS, to say that there is something wrong somewhere!
And if you make a whole, little effort to inform yourself, you will know why it was said that it was a pathology (scientifically established) frequent among homosexuals male.
In 1987, there was a total of 30.000 AIDS cases. The number of cases did not increase as much as had been predicted. And AIDS remained confined to risk groups initially defined. 6 years after the first case of AIDS, 95% of infections were found in men, whose 2 / 3 were homosexual, and 1 / 3 drug addicts. Moreover each of these groups at risk of AIDS had diseases that were specific to him. Viruses do not induce different diseases according to male or female sex, sexual preferences, or lifestyle.

Behind extracts of (pseudo) scientific literature, there is in fact a well camouflaged religious ideology.

Calling pseudo scientist the work of the most important specialists of retroviruses, at that time, one wonders what superior authority could have been taken into consideration? And if you did a little bit of everything to keep you informed, Duesberg believed that there was indeed a relationship between AIDS and a contaminating virus, until he asked one of his AIDS friend friends to provide him with sufficient documentation to argue with his students at conferences, and it is only when this friend has not been able to provide him with any documentation, scientifically established, that he has asked himself questions, not religious obviously. But it's so much easier to make primary denial!The deniers of reality, a long tradition

And anyway, when we fall into the religious, arguments no longer make sense.

And anyway, when we fall into the anti-religious, arguments no longer make sense! In fact, for lack of real scientific arguments, all you have to do is fall back on an anti-religious speech [*] like a dog on leftover meals.

We come back to what I said, that or the flat earth, basically the concept is the same, it's just the catalyst that is different.

Anyone can have misconceptions, just like you, it's just your catalyst that's different, actually!

[*] Although intellectually opposed to any religious system, I am not stupid enough to make a cream pie for lack of credible arguments, as you do!

[PVresistif]

Above all, there are many negationists in history, ready to change it for their profit.
What the Church did in Galilee was simply to defend its power, as those who have it today do it and worse, because it is more pernicious ...... we no longer burn heretics nowadays, is this a better?

[Janic]

Above all, there are many negationists in history, ready to change it for their profit.

Absolutely, but there is a criterion, as old as the world, which consists of asking the question: " Who does the crime benefit? And in our day what benefits is the money, the money, the money.
So about AIDS, here in question, who benefits from the situation?
The supposed negationists contesting the HIV / AIDS link? Generally they endanger their careers by going against the flow except some, like Duesberg, who was almost untouchable and others like Wakefield on the ROR and autism and many others who are rehabilitated many years later when we discover that they were right like Semmelweiss concerning asepsis (in cases of puerperal fever) and taken over by Pasteur afterwards.

What the Church did in Galilee was simply to defend its power, as those who have it today do it and worse, because it is more pernicious ...... we no longer burn heretics nowadays, is this a better?

They are no longer physically burnt on the spot, but they are demolished psychologically, socially, socially, by banning them from society, or it does not lead them to suicide for denouncing a conservative society, subject to the powerful lobbies of society. industry and built on lies.

[Christophe]

They are no longer physically burnt on the spot, but they are demolished psychologically, socially, socially, by banning them from society, or it does not lead them to suicide for denouncing a conservative society, subject to the powerful lobbies of society. industry and built on lies.

That's fine words ... except the last idea: the whole society is not built on lies ...

[Ahmed]

The trial of Galilee in a caricature, has served much more to defend the power of the socialist radicals of the third republic than that of the church ...

The whole society is built on a representation of the world: who could argue that this representation is accurate?

[Janic]

Janic wrote:
They are no longer physically burnt on the spot, but they are demolished psychologically, socially, socially, by banning them from society, or it does not lead them to suicide for denouncing a conservative society, subject to the powerful lobbies of society. industry and built on lies.

That's fine words ... except the last idea: the whole society is not built on lies ...

Obviously all of society is not built on lies, fortunately that leaves some hope that all is not rotten. That's why I was talking about: "a conservative society, subject to the powerful lobbies of the industry and built on lies"But maybe you can name a lobby that doesn't use it ?!
You have an engineering background and you can not ignore that in the industry you set a specific goal and the goal to achieve and above all you must not deviate. The field of health does not escape more than the rest and in fact ecology is precisely deviate from the politically (or industrially) correct, so the dominant system: if not long live the nuclear, long live agricultural chemicals , industrial and pharmaceutical ... and long live AIDS!

[izentrop]

The trial of Galilee in a caricature, has served much more to defend the power of the socialist radicals of the third republic than that of the church ...

The process in 1633 (inquisition), the 3ème republic 1870 - 1940. It's not the same era, what makes you write that?

[Janic]

The process in 1633 (inquisition), the 3ème republic 1870 - 1940. It's not the same era, what makes you write that?

I do not want to anticipate what Ahmed will say, so I give my point of view:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisiti ... nquisition
wikipedia gives a fairly good history of what the inquisition in general, which is only the struggle against heresy, that is to say the differences of opinion and in particular that of the authorities instituted, ( among others the current censorship in 3 ° republic, but which is currently continuing with different forms and worst of all: self-censorship) and therefore not only in a particular historical time.

Ahmed wrote:
The Galilean trial, in a caricature, has served much more to defend the power of the socialist radicals of the third republic than that of the church ...

Absolutely! But we must not lose sight of the fact that our society is imbued with a "Catholic" culture, hardly contested, and therefore the model that this system has developed over the centuries, which has proved its effectiveness, but which has been turned around. against her, moreover. This is what, in the book of Revelation, is designated as being the image of the beast (the beast indicating THE religion in general, in all its aspects, social, cultural, superstitions, etc.) and therefore the 'image, which looks like it.

[Ahmed]

I understand that the time interval between the time of the trial of Galilee and the turpitude of the third republic may surprise. In reality, the church has been lenient towards Galilee (Pope of the time, Urban VIII, friend of the sciences, had long encouraged him), against which she had hardly any grievances, except her excess of zeal and clumsiness.
It is this episode, ridden in a caricatured form, which was instrumentalized *, much later by radical-socialist propaganda to stigmatize its clerical opponents and especially to give themselves a radicality of which they were totally deprived ...

* And here we join what has already been mentioned above, that is to say a rewrite of history.