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Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!




by izentrop » 09/07/18, 23:57

What is called “scientific truth”? What is pseudo-science? What are the means used to fight against pseudo-science today? Debunkers: who are they? Homeopathy, Vaccines, Flat Earth: what are the major epidemics of pseudo-scientific theories?

These are the questions discussed in this program https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... z-les-tous
... it is thanks to this long history of scientific progress that the most obscure theories flourish and spread today on the internet, from flat Earth to creationism. Will understand.

Pseudo-sciences do not meet the criterion of refutability.
Science has no definitive truth, it is self-directed.
A scientific fact must be reproducible ...
Very difficult to distinguish ...
A pseudo-science can be revealed by a simple test as it was done for astrology.
This test must be well studied to avoid bias ...
Internet, pseudo-science echo chamber ...
A standoff between the democracy of knowledge and the democracy of the gullible ...
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Re: science, pseudoscience, make a difference




by Janic » 10/07/18, 09:47

What is called “scientific truth”? What is pseudo-science? What are the means used to fight against pseudo-science today? Debunkers: who are they? Homeopathy, Vaccines, Flat Earth: what are the major epidemics of pseudo-scientific theories?
These are the questions discussed in this program https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... z-all
... it is thanks to this long history of scientific progress that the most obscure theories flourish and spread today on the internet, from flat Earth to creationism. Will understand.

From the start, the journalist mixes up as if each point indicated corresponds to the others. In his mind, bias, Obviously, but that does not correspond to what will ensue, because a value judgment is precisely not scientific.
Etienne Klein interviewed by your boyfriend

who hoped to make his speech credible, was replaced by Klein on pseudo science and obviously he did not like it. Klein with a smirk tells him that " all sciences are pseudo sciences, up to a certain point Which closes the subject.
Despite everything, I listened attentively to the 59 'on the subject. Well I largely agree with their generalist discourse until they examine their favorite subjects like astrology (I know nothing about it, therefore without opinion) and then obviously homeopathy and vaccines . And there they discover their non-application of the criteria, which they establish at the start, to themselves.

So :

Pseudo-sciences do not meet the criterion of refutability.


As they indicate several times, these criteria are those which are conventionally accepted ...by themselves : judge and party.

Science has no definitive truth, it is self-directed.


should be self-correcting, as long as the science in question is not taken hostage by big financial interests and like the majority of universities, laboratories, are dependent on their finances, they will not bite the breast that feeds them.

A scientific fact must be reproducible ...


It’s very fair! However, this reproducibility must not be conditioned by criteria which are unsuitable for the subject examined, hence:

Very difficult to distinguish ...


A pseudo-science can be revealed by a simple test as it was done for astrology.


Always true. But here again, the test must indeed be adapted and effective. For example, AIDS tests are uncertain like the Elisa test, or not recognized as the Western Blot in America. The interpretation of these tests is also random and subjective: 2 markers are sufficient in Africa to be declared AIDS and 4 in Australia. Is that scientific or pseudo-scientific? And so :

This test must be well studied to avoid bias ...


It is precisely these interpretive biases that pose problems in the context of the supposed sciences and pseudo sciences.
So the tests they talk about on H are biased in interpretation since these tests are unsuitable for the subject.
The same goes for vaccines because they have not been scientifically tested like other drugs that need to obtain marketing authorization. [*] [*]
Two weights, two measures? and these jokes will criticize the non-AMM for H! It is the hospital which laught at the charity. : Evil:

Internet, pseudo-science echo chamber ...


The Internet is also the echo chamber of pseudo pseudociences such as zetetics and they do not complain about it. Or rather the Internet is the only way to escape, for now, [*] from the censorship of pseudo pseudoscientists and governments, some of them even prohibiting to consult the web.

A standoff between the democracy of knowledge and the democracy of the gullible ...


It is all a question of gullibility, it is in human nature and those who religiously believe in zetetics and other septic tanks, are in no way different from the others. Vanity of vanities than pretending to be the one and only holder of any knowledge! "Outside of zetetics there is no salvation"this must remind some people!

[*] our president and his aficionados precisely want to censor the Internet of supposed or real fake news, according to SES and only SES criteria and to silence any opposition, like all the other totalitarian countries. So democracy is taking a serious penknife

[*] [*] Where are you on the questions asked about these exceptions to vaccines and to which you have not answered ... as usual.
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Re: science, pseudoscience, make a difference




by Christophe » 10/07/18, 13:25

Didn't we already have a subject that answered this question?

I fear that this will quickly turn into a controversial-troll subject ... :?
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by izentrop » 10/07/18, 15:19

Christophe wrote:Didn't we already have a subject that answered this question?
1) I searched but did not find. Just a topic on internet fake videos.
Christophe wrote:I fear that this will quickly turn into a controversial-troll subject ...
Yes for some who don't want to understand anything and are confusing.
The theme is not the question of origins, a very controversial subject chosen by Janic.

You need specific examples to make a difference, I will come back to this later.
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by Janic » 10/07/18, 16:38

Christophe wrote:
I fear that this will quickly turn into a controversial-troll subject ...
Yes for some who don't want to understand anything and are confusing. as someone would say.
Go for a ride on we can do it that you know and look for the troll!
http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/forum/topi ... x/page-104
The theme is not the question of origins, a very controversial subject chosen by Janic.
the theme is the one chosen by fake thing with Klein, just listen to it carefully.
You need specific examples to make a difference, I will come back to this later.
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by sen-no-sen » 10/07/18, 18:39

The debate on pseudo-sciences, if there can be a debate, seems to me to concretize the dichotomy between different forms of ideologies,anti vaccinalist creationism to Janic,skeptical-scientist rationalism to Izentrop.
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by izentrop » 10/07/18, 19:20

sen-no-sen wrote:The debate on pseudo-sciences, if there can be a debate, seems to me to concretize the dichotomy between different forms of ideologies,anti vaccinalist creationism to Janic,skeptical-scientist rationalism to Izentrop.
You're partially right, it can stop there.
If you write scientist, is it that you don't believe in science?

Astrology is a pseudo-science, demonstrated here http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1240
Astronomy is the science of observing the stars, seeking to explain their origin, their evolution, as well as their physical and chemical properties.
So much for the examples.
Janic wrote:Go for a ride on we can do it that you know and look for the troll!
This is the one that is not antivaxx, right?
My pov Janic.
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by Ahmed » 10/07/18, 19:28

Izentrop, you write:
If you write scientist, is it that you don't believe in science?

This has nothing to do and constitutes a nonsense, scientism can be assimilated to a corruption of the scientific spirit. It is an ideology supporting the absolutism of science in matters of knowledge ...
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by Janic » 10/07/18, 19:40

sen no sen hello
The debate on pseudo-sciences, if there can be a debate, seems to me to concretize in reality the dichotomy between different forms of ideologies, anti vaccinalist creationism for Janic,
everything is ideology! Econologie is one, among others and it does not shock anyone because of the open-mindedness of its founder.
On the other hand, and this ends up becoming tiresome, anti-vaccination is only an invention of the provaccinalists. (Like H vs A)
I have been for over 45 years the different opinions of those in favor of vaccines and the victims of these same vaccines, wrongly called anti-vaccines, and none of them is anti-vaccines for the others.
If it were so, they would not have been vaccinated, but once the cup drunk, they must do well with regretting to have been the victims after having believed in the song of the sirens. So no, there are no anti-vaccines, on the contrary, claiming freedom in a sense, it is not to claim a ban elsewhere.
I am non-smoker and non-drinker and I am not for the obligation, nor the prohibition of smoking or drinking, on the other hand I claim the right not to be smoked against my will, nor to be put under duress of drink to save the French or other vineyard.
I am VG, you too, it is indeed an ideology, but which is based on concrete realities which are not shared by the majority good thinking and the same is true in the case of vaccines. Tomorrow may be that humanity will be VG (willingly or compelled by the world situation), in the meantime this is not the case and perhaps also that tomorrow more and more scientists will realize that vaccinations n have never been anything but a reassuring myth for populations frightened by the anxiety-provoking discourse held by current supporters majority on the subject. The future will tell! :?:
For creationism, I have largely developed the subject and I therefore remind that I am not a religious creationist, but a scientific creationist, only.

Janic wrote:
Go for a ride on we can do it that you know and look for the troll!
This is the one that is not antivaxx, right?
There is no antivaxx, it is an invention of the provaxx.
However, I find you a lot of courage to measure yourself against a majority of non-vaccination specialists. :D You have the faith of your convictions and that I respect it, but for as much that does not give reason neither to the others nor to any conviction.
My pov Janic.
My pov Izentrop!
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by izentrop » 10/07/18, 19:44

Ahmed wrote:It is an ideology supporting the absolutism of science in matters of knowledge ...
I don't feel concerned, I just rebel against simplistic reasoning that distorts reality.
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