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by Janic » 09/01/12, 17:10

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Finally, vaccinations are very varied and therefore a general survey on all mixed vaccinations, is a real scam, religious creed, mixing vaccines saving millions of lives with others much less effective, almost comfortable and questionable.

Not only do you say a huge number of untruths and ignorance, but you don't even read what is written.
the figures given relate only to the polio vaccine
Two-thirds of babies who died of sudden infant death syndrome had received polio vaccine

Can you cite, from official sources, a vaccination that has saved millions of lives.
with others much less effective, almost comfortable and questionable.
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by dedeleco » 09/01/12, 17:22

The title is :
Vaccinations and health ... for or against?

without the word polio at all inside !!!!!

Typical lack of rigor.
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by elephant » 09/01/12, 18:17

oh, Del, you're pissing me off!

Maybe a recent vaccine has damaged babies!

I personally survived a massive oral vaccination campaign in the 60s.

And polio hasn't wreaked havoc in Belgium for years.

It's an example.....

Now, if bastards market shit, administered to subjects too young, etc ... it is another debate.
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by Janic » 09/01/12, 18:43

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Maybe a recent vaccine has damaged babies!

Out of 33 countries?
I personally survived a massive oral vaccination campaign in the 60s.

Me too !
And polio hasn't wreaked havoc in Belgium for years.

Water was considered to be the vector of polio, the change in drinking standards (I suppose) had something to do with it. More cause = more effect!
Now, if bastards market shit, administered to subjects too young, etc ... it is another debate.

To find out if it is specific to a "shit", simply consult the statistics, to see if it is punctual or permanent! Besides, how do you distinguish shit from what is not when you are parents?
The difficulty in finding it is that the victims of existing vaccine diseases are in small (relative) numbers, it is not as if there were hecatombs. So the question is: is it due to vaccines? The way to find out is to compare neighboring countries with the same standard of living where, on the one hand, a vaccine will be imposed and the other, where these vaccines are not imposed or even prohibited, as in England for certain vaccines considered more dangerous than the disease itself (or like the recent suppression of BCG in France).
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by Former Oceano » 09/01/12, 19:44

Vaccination since its inception has saved millions of lives.
However, the vaccine has also become a commercial product. So from there the drift is effective.
Otherwise the fact of stimulating its immune system may be necessary for those who have moved away from nature because the earth contains bacteriophages (virus killing bacteria) and other antigens to keep active our defenses that too much cleanliness and bleach fall asleep.
So vaccination yes.
The vaccine no gadget.
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by dedeleco » 09/01/12, 19:54

Polio handicaps, still kills the world !!
She only asks to come back to us !!!!
I personally survived a massive oral vaccination campaign in the 60s

I too, before 60, much more I survived the virus, which vaccinated me, with much more unconscious risks
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Have you known young comrades, like me, more than 50 years ago, affected by polio, partially paralyzed more or less, (shortened life and dead now), whereas after the discovery of the vaccine, I didn’t have not known any case linked to polio vaccination (on my children and their comrades), a big progress at the time, with its disappearance from us ????

Vaccines, on diseases we only have once, in general, are effective,, and discussing at random, in a blur, without precise facts, statistical references, scientific publications, is absurd and even criminal, if it leads to the sick and dead, for return of the disease, which has not disappeared for polio, unlike smallpox.

You don't put never references, precise scientific publications, according to your habit, yet the only way to have a valid and coherent opinion.

Read carefully, exciting to read, before writing nonsense:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomy%C3%A9lite
and also in English to compare opinions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis
even in German and all the languages ​​of the world, which I consider very instructive, especially with variations in presentation:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomielitis

Enhanced vaccination efforts led by the World Health Organization, UNICEF, and Rotary International could result in global eradication of the disease.
An outbreak of cases in Tajikistan at the beginning of 2010 reminds, however, that the virus is still circulating..


janic can freely put his anti-vaccine opinions there and watch the answers given to him by real specialists in the matter.

Benefits must be weighed against risks, but the risks observed are much lower than taking painkillers, aspirin or others in excess, and very common.
http://www.un.org/french/ecosocdev/geni ... oliofr.htm

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The controversy started last July when Datti Ahmed, head of the Kano State Sharia Supreme Council, which oversees the application of Islamic law, claimed that the polio vaccines provided by the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) contained sterilizing chemicals and the HIV virus that causes AIDS. Ahmed, an influential leader in this largely Islamic region, accused the US authorities of deliberately contaminating vaccines to reduce the size of the Muslim population as part of their fight against terrorism.
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by FPLM » 09/01/12, 20:01

Personally, I agree with Obamot's opinion.
I think there is food and drink ...
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by elephant » 09/01/12, 20:18

Ex océano said:

Vaccination since its inception has saved millions of lives.
However, the vaccine has also become a commercial product. So from there the drift is effective.


That's what I said (or think I said)
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by Janic » 09/01/12, 20:54

Vaccination since it started must have saved millions of lives.
Again, to believe that it saved lives and to have actually saved lives there is a huge difference and it is very subjective. The only way to find out is through hard numbers. When do we put them on the table?
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by Christophe » 09/01/12, 21:46

Janic wrote:Again, to believe that it saved lives and to have actually saved lives there is a huge difference and it is very subjective. The only way to find out is through hard numbers. When do we put them on the table?


That's quite the kind of remark I wanted to avoid here ...

So start by putting your numbers ...
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