Opinions about Covid vaccines, immunity, side effects and immunology

[ABC2019]

The emergency (almost two years):

It is to heal !!! No vaccination ...

yet more bullshit from Guignoldebois .. the covid, even when treated, is much more lethal than the vaccine, and in addition, it costs society much more!

Sweden (two waves of covid visible, and after the vaccine)

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Norway (no Covid wave, but after the vaccine anyway)

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what kills is the disease, not the vaccine.

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

(And Bozo to relay all the mainstream lies, to be still mistaken in his estimates, each more stupid than the next by claiming that treatment would have been more expensive than confinements, curfews, massive closures of the various businesses, insane arrivals in sheave, unnecessary purchases -ex: Remdesivir- and other rotten measures. Not only is this guy stupid, incompetent and unsuitable, but in addition he is becoming more and more barge!)

[ABC2019]

(And Bozo to relay all the mainstream lies, to be still mistaken in his estimates, each more stupid than the next by claiming that treatment would have been more expensive than confinements, curfews, massive closures of the various businesses, insane arrivals in sheaves of people who have been left to die,

I said that treatment would be much more expensive (and much less effective in number of deaths avoided) than vaccinating !!! still a big gloubiboulga in the head of guignoldesbois, which mixes up everything, and which understands nothing of what one says ... and which accuses the others of its faults!

confinement is also expensive, but it's not to save money, it's to avoid deaths, as long as we don't have a vaccine! and that's precisely why we vaccinate: to avoid reconfining. (which has been the case, for the moment ...)

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

(And Bozo to forget that before the vaccination, as useless as it is dangerous and expensive, we let people die in their homes like dogs as well as our "elders" in the EHPAD and that if we had treated from the start we would have was able to avoid confinements, curfews and business closures, ruinous for society. Yes, this guy is stupid as a broom and completely crazy!)

[Janic]

and bozo in his usual delusions

I said that to treat would be much more expensive (and much less effective in number of avoided deaths) than to vaccinate !!!

completely wrong and he claims to be an expert in stats. For years we have only counted the final cost of the products, without taking into account the external production chain, nor the one that will follow. This fool's game is over because everything has to be taken into account up to the short, medium and long term side effects, which is not included in the cost price of a vaccine. and even less its exorbitant selling price most of the time to compensate for the heavy compensation to the victims.

still a big gloubiboulga in the head of guignoldesbois, which mixes up everything, and which understands nothing of what one says ... and which accuses the others of its faults!

you are just an ignorant who claims to know!

confinement is also expensive, but it's not to save money, it's to avoid deaths, as long as we don't have a vaccine!

and the fun adds something to make us laugh even more. The confinements made the smallpox disappear even though the continents had been flooded with existing vaccines since JENNER, however, and constantly "improved" And yet it made a resounding flop and there was not a pseudo vaccine made Quickly!

and that's precisely why we vaccinate: to avoid re-defining. (which has been the case, for the moment ...)

in this case it's completely missed, as usual!

[Obamot]

The emergency (almost two years):

It is to heal !!! No vaccination ...

one more [moderate] more Guignoldebois .. the covid, even treated, is much more lethal than the vaccine, and in addition, it costs society much more!

Even admitting that this is true - but no one has proven it, because the peak of the Delta variant was as rapid as it was fleeting, and it got through and so it's impossible to take credit for the situation. current vaccine, (we will talk about it in March ...) - but let's admit, this is not true because:
- (pseudo) vaccines weaken the species, for various reasons.
- they give a lot of illusions to the person who has undergone the injection, that of being protected, which is a false feeling and a gear, since this dirt of mRNA neutralizes some of the immune defenses for a long time (therefore goes potentially make someone sick who would not have been otherwise => you need a serious update of your knowledge on the youtube site of Dr Been)
- these pseudo-protections are too short (in 8 months the virus has mutated many times and goes through the pseudo vaccinations)
- as far as I know the WHO is totally against a 3rd booster, so a lot of people will say “stop” and won't. It is not enough to have the best vaccine, if people don't “take advantage” of it ...!
- the illusion of protection will have major deleterious effects, it will ensure that people who believe they are protected, rather than changing a lifestyle that has led them to obesity, will do nothing to improve their immunity and will transmit the germs of their pathologies to their offspring ...

So assuming that there is an effect, it has a very short duration and the risk increases in the long term (installation of chronic diseases and other amenities) to the detriment of the benefit (strengthening of the species).

To be vaccinated is therefore futile, it is pure speculation, a supposed short-sighted benefit for efficiency objectives which remain far below the beautiful promises. So vaccination is not justified.

[Remundo]

GillABC2019 has been drunk for over a month with its diverge exponentials, time lags, probabilities, R0 and blah blah.

the number of cases does not mean much.

the ENTIRE month of July was spent in dead calm.

yes, because fragile people have been vaccinated, so the CFR (the number of deaths per case) is much lower. And so the death curve also increased exponentially, but with a smaller overall amplitude, and was hidden longer by the decreasing curve of the previous variant (alpha). This explains why the number of deaths took longer to take off.

It's very easy to understand, but obviously you get drunk trying to understand.

you're in the wind, my poor Gilles.

Last year, LIKE, was flat, and no one was vaccinated.

your explanations are hardly admissible, because the facts which you indicate are perhaps corrections to the margin.

and even so, why the Macronian geniuses were announcing a catastrophe ?????

I guarantee you that the virus does not give a damn about all our vaccine fantasies. He is falling asleep now and can give us a slap in the fall.

therefore the subject, it is not the vaccine front, it is the 2 other FRONTS guilty neglected, HOSPITAL AND THERAPEUTIC.

[Christophe]

Last year, LIKE, was flat, and no one was vaccinated.

I think it was worse last summer in terms of daily deaths, right?

We had not gone down to "almost nothing" ... (I think we are less than 20 dead some days at the moment) ...

I guarantee you that the virus does not give a damn about all our vaccine fantasies. He falls asleep now and can give us a slap in the fall

The summer of 2021 is still more rotten than the 2020 ... if you just think about the weather conditions ...

But it is quite possible that the fall is indeed very hot! (and here I am talking about the weather) especially with its stupid pasSS sanitär, the number of caregivers will inevitably be reduced by a few% ...

[ABC2019]

you're in the wind, my poor Gilles.

Last year, LIKE, was flat, and no one was vaccinated.

bah last year it was the original strain, not even the English variant, much less contagious. That was enough to make R smaller or close to 1. The delta variant started the epidemic again in many countries where it seemed to be more or less under control.

therefore the subject, it is not the vaccine front, it is the 2 other FRONTS guilty neglected, HOSPITAL AND THERAPEUTIC.

all three are helpful, but the vaccine is safest and cheapest.

[pedrodelavega]

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