Was there an excess mortality in 2020 or not? ***

[Janic]

The reality is quite different and has already been seen and reviewed. The excess, if there was any, would not exceed 20.000 on the spur of the moment because the previous two years had seen a sharp drop, seasonal flu almost disappeared replaced by covid. on the other hand an excessive dramatization just to sell the miracle vaccines on guinea pigs frightened as by a wolf in the middle of the sheep.

[Obamot]

if you want numbers here

https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336#s2

for France, an excess of 70 deaths until June 000, 13, z-score of 2021, therefore very significant.

As it is over a year and a half, in 2020 we must have had about 40 to 50 more deaths so around 000%, the correct answer to your survey for 8 is "between 2020 and 5%".

2nd flagrante delicto of deception!

You have to take the deaths flu season by flu season, sorry (and you know that very well, even if you make up for it afterwards) ...

Completely beside the point, the article is content to measure the overall excess mortality from all causes over the years 2020-2021 compared to previous years. It has nothing to do with the flu in particular. This is the question you asked in your survey, isn't it?

It's you who is missing the point, this thread is ONLY about 2020, moreover 2021 is not over!
Still off the mark when you say “All causes combined” it is a pure swindle to omit the differentiation between covid and comorbidities!
So stop laughing at the world where you're gonna get kicked out forum, you'll see... "Flu season ” it's a way of speaking...
If you do it again, you will be excluded from the debate.
In fact, in our compendium of diseases, covid-19 is classified IN the category of influenza, so what I'm saying is absolutely correct.

But it's a good sign that you're quibbling in all directions, it proves that your position is not solid. And you Know it...

[ABC2019]

The reality is quite different and has already been seen and reviewed. The excess, if there was any, would not exceed 20.000 on the spur of the moment because the previous two years had seen a sharp drop, the seasonal flu almost disappeared replaced by covid.

it is exactly the opposite, as there was no flu, it means that the directly measured excess is LOWER than the number of covid deaths (this is the number of covid deaths, minus the cases of influenza non-existent).

In other words, the 70 are excess mortality from all causes, but the mortality from covid is much higher (according to some estimates, rather 000)

Your 20 "sneaky" are perfectly fanciful, and of course not sourced as usual, Jeannotlapin.

[Janic]

by ABC2019 "07/08/21, 09:54
janic wrote: The reality is quite different and already seen and reviewed. The excess, if there was any, would not exceed 20.000 on the spur of the moment because the previous two years had seen a sharp drop, the seasonal flu almost disappeared replaced by covid.

it is exactly the opposite, as there was no flu, it means that the directly measured excess is LOWER than the number of covid deaths (this is the number of covid deaths, minus the cases of influenza non-existent).

Oh no, my rococo! The flu has not disappeared, they have just been requalified as covid to artificially increase the number, the general symptoms are the same and only a biopsy (never done) can distinguish them?

In other words, the 70 are excess mortality from all causes, but the mortality from covid is much higher (according to some estimates, rather 000)

Whimsical estimates made by whom? Knowing that many deaths were and still are due to co-morbidities already existing. The covid turns into a big catch just like they did for AIDS.

Your 20 "sneaky" are perfectly fanciful, and of course not sourced as usual, Jeannotlapin.

Obviously my big bunny, did you just realize that? It’s as fanciful and approximate as the numbers you throw out unsourced ”by some estimates " according to you ! This is of unstoppable scientific precision. Funny

[ABC2019]

Oh no, my rococo! The flu has not disappeared, they have just been requalified as covid to artificially increase the number, the general symptoms are the same and only a biopsy (never done) can distinguish them?

Complete delirium, the reported covid cases are not on the general symptoms but on the PCR tests, and obviously the flu is not at all the same virus as the SARS-cov2 and does not give a PCR + test

The reason the flu didn't happen, I explained, is that the sanitary measures were enough to make her R <1.

in any case, the excess mortality of 70 is independent of causes so your 20 is fancy.

Once again, Jeannotlapin wanders in the fields ...

[Janic]

ABCon »07/08/21, 10:21

Janic wrote:

Oh no, my rococo! The flu has not disappeared, they have just been requalified as covid to artificially increase the number, the general symptoms are the same and only a biopsy (never done) can distinguish them?

Complete delirium, the reported covid cases are not on the general symptoms but on the PCR tests, and obviously the flu is not at all the same virus as the SARS-cov2 and does not give a PCR + test

Pov 'acorn! doctors rely on the symptoms present in these patients, the test can at most, and still provide precision. What a big, huge, bastard!

The reason the flu didn't happen, I explained, is that the sanitary measures were enough to make her R <1.

once the covid infection has spread widely in the territory for saying that mask and barrier gestures were unnecessary, by the scientists who will say the opposite then, but too late.
For info, public health France (the best of the best, had already counted 3.000 before it disappeared from the radars ... by the greatest of luck.

anyway, the excess mortality of 70 is independent of the causes, so your 000 is fanciful.

Not only are you stupid at eating hay, because that's what I just said and repeated, like your 70.000 and 140.000 taken from your magician's hat, but you still don't know how to read good French! Where are your serious and independent sources?, .... non-existent, as usual!

[pedrodelavega]

After the incredible saga of some, who have never ceased to confuse mortality with hospital lethality, while only the latter has been able to guarantee reliable figures (then repeated on euromomo, for once you know how I take it!)

1 / Can you give an example in which someone would have confused mortality and hospital lethality? (Rather several if possible as it is "never ceased")

2 / euromomo is based on hospital lethality? Do you have a source please?

[Janic]

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taux_de_l ... alit%C3%A9
The case fatality rate (often called lethality) is the proportion of deaths linked to a particular disease or condition, compared to the total number of cases affected by the disease or affected by the particular condition (for example: exposure to a natural risk or industrial).

Disclaimer
It should not be confused with the mortality rate which expresses the ratio of the number of deaths (all causes combined) in a population and during a given period on the size of the population during said period

Calculation
The simplest method is to divide the number of deaths linked to the disease by the total number of people infected for a given region or country, this is how the WHO works. It is expressed either as a number ranging from 0 to 1 or as a percentage between 0% and 100%. It is an indicator of the severity of the disease, the quality of care and the particular conditions to which the affected population is subjected.

[ABC2019]

Pov 'acorn! the doctors rely on the symptoms present in these patients, the test can at most, and still provide precision.

I'm not talking about the doctor's opinion but about the statistics that are made on covid cases. Moreover in March 2020 we tested very little, resulting in a huge apparent fatality rate of 17%, but it is just that we did not count 90% of cases. Doctors knew it was covid, but they weren't tested, so not in the stats. It is therefore completely false to say that we inflated the figures, it is quite the opposite.

For info, public health France (the best of the best, had already counted 3.000 before it disappeared from the radars ... by the greatest of luck.

not by the greatest of hsards, simply because the March 2020 containment decapitated the epidemic by preventing the spread. You have a lack of understanding, jeannotlapin.

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

(Extraordinary Bozo who clearly notices an excess mortality on the graph that I posted when it is only going down, and who then decides that the source is not good and that therefore I manipulate or I screw up ... crazy at link, it is confirmed day by day ...)