Demonstrations and anti-debt strike of November 14: press review

[sen-no-sen]

France has an episode of delay (at least) ...

I'm sure they died of laughter.

The Nazis were too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cSVUHkObUg

Compare the globalized hyper class to the Nazis is to make an annoying confusion between the proponents of the system and the possible systemic consequences (crises, rise of totalitarianism etc ...).

Historically, economic power has been very well arranged by financing world conflicts, sometimes on both sides!

[Christophe]

I admit there was better as an analogy ... well it was Saturday night at midnight also huh I would have done better to talk about Lehmann Brother (which incidentally is again "active" recently ...)

Of course it is the bankers and industrialists who have everything to gain from a war and who leave (and set up) dictatorship and if they lead to a war it is the jackpot.

"We think we are dying for our country, we die for industrialists and bankers" Anatole France.

It seems to me that the Ford factories of Nazi Germany were never bombed ... CQFD ...

[Other]

Hello

It is time for the peoples to wake up ..
Science and technological advancement should serve to improve life on earth, but it is controlled by a minority of men whose sole motive is always to earn more $
The most serious is that all governments have given monetary control to a small global group.
Unstoppable, that a group that controls lending money speculates, A powerful organization which produces nothing, just to put its name, makes virtual money, wind and get rich so decides which country they will put in crisis .. Decide that all the savings for your old age, they will melt them, devaluing.

the mass of the population, for a good number, including myself, no longer know against whom, against what it is necessary to demonstrate
where does this global evil, which eats away at us, these manipulators without names, without nationality, without scruples, or hide it?
Personally, the one who cultivates his land, the one who produces something must be renumerated, the intermediaries who sell manufactured products at double and triple the price, the banks, the credit card manufacturers what are they doing? a by indebtedness and misery ...
What difference with a mafieu system? for me it is the legalized mafia protected by governments by the police by the judicial system, by our elected officials.


We can say nothing, do nothing, just watch, because it doesn't affect us. the big manipulators succeed because a good number of the population says nothing, and even some approve
the story of our parents and grandparents, we seem to have forgotten it ..

When the Nazis came to seek the Communists, I kept silent: I was not a Communist.
When they locked up the Social Democrats, I shut up: I was not a Social Democrat.
When they came to look for the Jews, I shut up: I was not a Jew.
When they came to pick up the Catholics, I shut up: I was not Catholic.
When they came to get me, there was no one left to protest. "


Andre

[Ahmed]

Andre, you write:

Where does this global evil that eats away at us come from, these nameless, nationalityless, unscrupulous manipulators, where are they hiding?

You are perfectly right to underline the anonymity of the "persons in charge", they are as you describe them because they are legal persons (in the legal sense) perfectly interchangeable, at the service of a system which exceeds them and which we all create , unwittingly and without understanding it, by the multitude of our individual acts, by our belief as well.

The disconnection between our private acts and their social consequences, the eradication of solidarities (Cf. your last §), allow this type of functioning.

"It is time for the peoples to wake up", you write again. To do what? The revolution? History sufficiently shows how illusory these romantic impulses are. Reform, or reforms? Many believe it very strongly, not realizing that every system has internal logic and that no matter how hard you try to fight that logic, it always wins out in the end.
Putting capitalism at the service of the people is astonishingly absurd (and "popular capitalism" an oxymoron!).

This is what people should realize when they wake up, it would be a good start.

[sen-no-sen]

I totally agree with your point of view Ahmed,hat.

Indeed, it has produced a particular transformation visible for about 40 years, namely that old totalitarian systems of hierarchical type (Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, Fascism and so on) identifiable at will, we are passed to a totalitarian (and totalizing) system of multi-polar type, thus networked, having, strictly speaking, no head.

The popular catharsis wanting to be expressed by means of demonstrations, revolutions, or murders of leaders is a vision of the medieval type: that of the scapegoat.
To believe that an old-fashioned revolt of the May 68 type will solve the problems is a candid vision.

There are of course "banksters", rotten politicians, a nomadic and plundering hyper globalized class, we also know the names of its last, yet it would be naïve to believe that getting rid of its individuals would be a long-term solution. term.

Because the fundamental problem as Ahmed mentioned, is that of our disconnection from the system that we criticize.

This is an absolutely taboo subject, but no one dares to say that an egalitarian system (as claimed by many) would actually be a remedy far superior to the evil given the current development model ...

[Ahmed]

Yes, the old totalitarian systems were circumscribed to limited regions of the world, associated with national particularisms, chiefs.

There are of course "banksters", rotten politicians, a nomadic and plundering hyper globalized class, we also know the names of the latter, yet it would be very naive to believe that getting rid of these individuals would be a long-term solution. term.

Absolutely! It would be replacing them with others who would fulfill the same office, in the same way ...

I am editing here my previous text to complete it: "... whatever efforts are made to fight against this logic, it always ends up winning", because we carry it within us.
The 99% are capitalists, not because they have huge capital, but because they are possessed by capitalism, its spirit, its mechanics.

[sen-no-sen]

(...) would in reality be a remedy far superior to the evil given the current development model ...

ERRATUM: read: in reality would be a much worse remedy than the evil given the current development model.

[Ahmed]

I understood what you meant, in reality we are in a complete dead end: to continue or to change superficially amounts to the same as long as the structure which oversees the whole remains: only a mass desertion, still to imagine, is possible .
Do not take power, which would be just another confiscation and a masquerade, but gradually take back the plot of power that belongs to us in a way that should be inalienable and that, however, we abdicate in the ballot boxes and in many other places ...

[BobFuck]

Egalitarianism is socialism, so put it in the same bin with the harder versions (Maoism, various fascisms, etc.).

Do not take power, which would be just another confiscation and a masquerade, but gradually take back the plot of power that belongs to us in a way that should be inalienable and that, however, we abdicate in the ballot boxes and in many other places ...

This is what is happening in Spain, where the black economy is exploding.

[Other]

Hello

The popular catharsis wanting to be expressed by means of demonstrations, revolutions, or murders of leaders is a vision of the medieval type: that of the scapegoat.
To believe that an old-fashioned revolt of the May 68 type will solve the problems is a candid vision.

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revolutions have expressed a mass dissatisfaction, but have rarely brought a lasting solution, it's like plowing a field in the fall the year after the weeds grow back.
peaceful demonstrations also give a level of dissatisfaction, it is like a strike or one makes the leader feel that one is not in agreement with their way of acting.
If I try to understand in this file you say that whatever the actions, the type of governments there is nothing to do just look. In other words useless to go to vote that will change nothing they are all the same, whether it be socialist, capitalist, communist, republican, it's just a variant? the Vampires are always in the background.
I think that each and everyone has a small role to play in this chessboard and involuntarily, or by convenience, we participate in growing this invisible, legal mafia, which controls all countries.
First just look at the budget allocated to debt repayment and for our security, army, police, security agency ect .. which is not far below the public health budget, While we should invest in education. Well educated people don't need to have a police on every corner.
As a simple citizen if we started by destroying all of our credit cards to buy what is necessary, to buy more according to our needs?
When I see promotions for credit cards (reduction of 2% + air miles if you pay with the card, and when you know that the seller must pay 1,75% of sales by credit cards, so the major seller are priced, and who is wronged, it is the one who pays in cash (we almost consider as a marginal see a criminal if we pay a large amount in cash)
The credit had to be framed, just for a large purchase, not to do groceries on credit or to fill up your credit tank.
the interests of the credit had to bring back money to the government which decides on its currency, not of the foreign private firms (in the end there is only one world firm.)

It's become that people do not spend enough, it hurts the economy, soon it will be necessary to change cars after 10 years (in the name of security)
So this world body, has found a more efficient way, it indebts governments, easier than the little poor in the crumb. Then with her tie specialists she changes the rating and changes their rates.
There will come a day when we will have to erase the entire debts of a government and we will start from scratch. Sometimes I wonder how the countries got up after the wars? what about debt before and big spending during wars? how did it all work out?

Andre