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by the middle » 29/11/11, 13:52

American Airlines announces that it has filed for bankruptcy.
http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/le_fil_i ... 880219.php

American Airlines and its parent company, the AMR holding company, announced Thursday that they had filed for bankruptcy, while ensuring that the continuity of its operations was for the moment assured thanks to a free cash flow of $ 4,1 billion. . In a press release, the company explained that the reorganization which will now be undertaken, as permitted by Chapter 11 of the US bankruptcy law, will allow it to sustainably lower its operating costs, particularly in matters of wages.
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by Christophe » 29/11/11, 14:02

Bankrupt with 4100 Million Liquidity? : Shock: : Shock:

It smells of the circle! What do I say it stinks ...
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by the middle » 29/11/11, 14:05

Christophe wrote:Bankrupt with 4100 Million Liquidity? : Shock: : Shock:

It smells of the circle! What do I say it stinks ...

not millions, billions
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by Christophe » 29/11/11, 14:07

If yes: 4100 million is good 4.1 billion ...
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by Did67 » 29/11/11, 17:54

It is enough not to "truncate" the article to understand much better:

http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article ... _3222.html

It is about "liquidating" a company A (called American Airlines) to recreate a company B (called Amarican Airlines) with new contracts for the pilots, who work more for a lower salary and who will insure themselves with a private company for their retirement ...

Re-read what 'I wrote above on two models of companies: the model "cowboys you shoot first you win you don't come to cry if you're dead" and the "psycho-rigid Protestant Swedish" model.

So for me, it's a social choice, that's all. Let them assume theirs, the Americans, and stop getting drunk with their "less load", their villas with swimming pool and air conditioning (I'm talking about the pilots, not the blacks from Alabama) ... article 11 is with them something very banal ... Read the end of the article: all the companies had gone bankrupt before ... Not to be confused with the cessation of activity ... It is just to put back the meters (and contracts!) flat.
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by Christophe » 29/11/11, 20:33

Did67 wrote:It is enough not to "truncate" the article to understand much better:


Well seen ! For once it was not a bug that read too quickly; it's the fault in the evening! : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 10/05/12, 22:58

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by phil53 » 11/05/12, 13:42

Reading this discussion, it confirms to me that if a nation is a minimum solidarity.
If it is in debt like Greece for example well they should tell the creditors
"Go and make yourself even we will no longer reimburse"
What would happen?
Aside from shutting down all of their imports, what more would they do?
The trade would eventually resume after 10 or 20 years.
Obviously it would be a dramatic upheaval but it would only last a time when as it is gone several generations will not see the end of the debt.
As said at the beginning, these are usurious rates which created these bottomless debts.
Taking the money back from the banks is the only solution to alleviate the misery of the people.
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by dedeleco » 11/05/12, 14:24

History is full of non-repayments, and creditors sent for a walk, like Russian loans !!!

But blows of sticks in return for loss of confidence of the rich investors who take revenge, behind the banks !!

Economic collapse, huge crises, suffering of the poor, etc ...

We are constantly grazing it, since 2008, and even Goldman Sachs announces today 2 to 3 billion losses in random speculations, failed !!!
A very large Spanish bank Bankia is bankrupt, taken over by the Spanish State, which rushes without knowing the risks? "4,465 billion euros injected by the public fund for assistance to the financial sector (Frob)"

http://www.lepoint.fr/economie/national ... 183_28.php
http://www.france24.com/fr/20120509-ban ... -partielle

Constant cracking announcers of worse ????????????????


http://www.rfi.fr/ameriques/20120511-et ... rgan-chase

http://www.france24.com/fr/20120511-fin ... mie-dimon-


By dint of scamming, she loses her power.

http://ladettedelafrance.blogspot.fr/20 ... ldman.html

* Http: //www.courrierinternational.com/article/2012/03/14/pourquoi-je-quitte-goldman-sachs


AFP - US bank JPMorgan Chase announced on Thursday that it had recorded a loss of $ 2 billion in brokerage over the past six weeks, which could increase due to the risky positions of credit derivatives, products behind the 2008 crisis.

On a surprise conference call, CEO Jamie Dimon spoke of "litigation losses of around $ 200 million" and "pre-tax brokerage losses of over $ 2 billion", offset by "a billion dollars in sales of debt hedging products.

He added that the portfolio of offending assets still exhibited "a lot of volatility". "We will manage it as much as possible" but "it could cost us up to a billion dollars or more" and "the risk will persist for several quarters".

The group launched a study on how these losses came about, but there were "a lot of mistakes, lack of rigor and poor judgment," commented Jamie Dimon.

This loss arose because the group wanted to hedge its credit exposure, which represents "the biggest" risk for the financial group, whose core business is to issue loans.

For this he bought on a massive scale credit derivatives, "credit default swaps" (CDS), which are kinds of insurance contracts intended to protect against a possible default by an institution.

"By covering this portfolio of assets again, there was a bad strategy, badly executed, it became more complex and was poorly followed," Mr. Dimon further lamented.

This poor performance would therefore be linked to the kind of complex derivative products that were at the origin of the 2008 financial crisis, and targeted by the "Volcker rule", one of the flagship measures of the 2010 financial reform, and which planned to limit investments in bank derivatives.

Dimon has repeatedly opposed financial reform and any tightening of banking regulations.

"It's unfortunate, there are going to be a lot of commentators" who are going to criticize JPMorgan on this, "but we're going to have to live with it," said Mr. Dimon, when asked about it.

He clarified that the offending brokerage operations did not "violate Volcker's rule but Dimon's principle".

US Senator Carl Levin, co-author of the Volcker rule in the legislation, also immediately condemned "the enormous losses of JP Morgan" which are for him "the latest proof to date that what the banks call + a risk hedging +, it is often risky bets that systemic banks do not have to take ".

Dimon admitted that this problem was discovered following an article in the Wall Street Journal in early April describing the astonishment of London's financial center at the very risky and massive positions of a French broker from JPMorgan, Bruno Michel Iksil, in CDS.

Jamie Dimon soon after called the information a "storm in a glass of water".

JPMorgan "hopes that this will not be a problem by the end of the year" but insisted it would depend "on the markets and our positions".

Mr. Dimon concluded by saying that banking is "not a business where you don't make mistakes."

JPMorgan Chase released results significantly higher than expected for the first quarter last month, although net earnings of $ 5,38 billion were down 3%. Turnover had increased by 6% to 26,71 billion dollars.

The action plunged 6,73% to 38 dollars in electronic trading after the close of the New York Stock Exchange.
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by Christophe » 11/05/12, 14:25

phil53 wrote:The trade would eventually resume after 10 or 20 years.
Obviously it would be a dramatic upheaval but it would only last a time when as it is gone several generations will not see the end of the debt.


Exact, to read about it: https://www.econologie.com/forums/crise-les- ... 11789.html

(...) But, let's be reassured, capitalism is cyclothymic. Financial crises eventually run out of steam. Phoenix of modern times, financial institutions are fading to better address the next crisis. Here we are...
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