What will be left of Europe in ten years?

[Obamot]

The list of unresolved problems is long, you know them:

- Relatively disappointed hopes of the "outraged»Who can't take off!
- Massive attack on the very low dollar, against a low euro ...
- Debt crisis that never ends ...
- Government conciliatory with banks which have created a real false debt crisis ...
- No fiscal harmony at European level ...
- Massive relocation of companies having obtained tax reductions (or not) but who go into exile once the profits are earned, for a lower cost of the OM while they sell their production in ... Europe!
- Current theoretical model out of breath in almost all areas and many countries ...
- Generalized treatment of causes instead of tackling the real problems.
- Gaps in comparative law between European countries which too often leads to impunity, which leads to flagrant injustices ...
- Rise of nationalism throughout Europe, very contained and very controlled in most countries, while the problems are not resolved and anger is raging ...
- Collective ideological murders which hatch as in Norway, by a misunderstanding of the fundamental problems stigmatized by a total spite leading to an extreme nationalism ...
- Then also, the energy and nuclear crisis with Fukushima etc
- And to make matters worse, the ever greater hold of the cellphone leading to the stupefaction of crowds and to the "acquired precariousness syndrome!" ...
In short, everything is in the title:

What will be left of Europe in ten years?

[Philippe Schutt]

In fact you are talking mainly about the world order, and in particular the economic one. Specific to Europe see only:
- No fiscal harmony at European level
- Endless debt crisis

In my opinion, what the FN advocates will be done by force of circumstances: reintroduction of national currencies, and fluctuating prices to find a new balance. This is the inevitable consequence of fiscal and budgetary differences.
The debt crisis may cause the euro to fall, but this will be differentiated directly on national currencies. Southern countries which entered late and pushed into investment by Europe will have to be helped massively, or they will have to accept enormous "bad debt losses". You just have to guess what will be the least huge ...

The indignant, unimportant, an anecdote. The euro is not so overvalued for the Nordic countries. Relocation is also done outside Europe. The problem is rather the refusal to recognize and accept the induced impoverishment and its consequences.
The rise of nationalism is rather a simple rejection of people who come only to take advantage of the system while refusing to integrate. I have not seen anything like it from the Asians and no rejection either.

[Napo dwarf]

if everything collapses, given the communitarianism that has entered for thirty years through uncontrolled immigration (French not spoken, parking in cities so no work and no integration it's a scandal not to have cared about it before ), we still risk very violent confrontations or even deaths
when it comes to survival, the primary instincts come back and this is a universal value whether you are a bbb or others

and then that we are in a consumer society we no longer even know how to make bean jars growing tomatoes ...
for city dwellers it will be hard .... very hard ^^

[Obamot]

In fact you are talking mainly about the world order, and in particular the economic one. Specific to Europe see only:
- No fiscal harmony at European level
- Endless debt crisis

Ah absolutely, and harmonization of laws is very important too, and it is lacking:
- Especially in the ... financial sector! As if by chance, right? - Especially for countries that have not yet joined!
- There are also and above all things that are legal and that should be deleted.
- The right of referendum and initiative is sorely lacking, in many countries there is not both!
- It also lacks the right to be elected locally, if one is not a national of the state in which one lives (at least, it is not automatic).

In my opinion, what the FN advocates will be done by force of circumstances: reintroduction of national currencies, and fluctuating prices to find a new balance. This is the inevitable consequence of fiscal and budgetary differences.

I find it hard to get an idea ... Unless new agreements are born, not pushed by necessity?
Finally what the banks want, because when the boxes are empty, they are embarrassed at the corners to replenish their boxes when they play the "plane game".

Debt crisis may cause euro to fall

Inevitable

but this will be differentiated directly on the national currencies. Southern countries that entered late and pushed into investment by Europe will have to be helped massively, or they will have to accept huge "bad debt losses".
If the Euro stayed, don't see the mechanism well, if not that of the race to the bottom ... Otherwise as long as they stay in the Euro, when it comes to helping them (and that I do not 'do not believe it, it does not exist, even the debt of Africa supposedly erased, was not really it ... For Greece it will be the same, they make us believe that, but I would like to read all texts ...)

Just guess what will be the least huge ...

Precisely

The indignant, unimportant, an anecdote. The euro is not so overvalued for the Nordic countries. Relocation is also done outside Europe. The problem is rather the refusal to recognize and accept the induced impoverishment and its consequences.

Excellent!

The rise of nationalism is rather a simple rejection of people who come only to take advantage of the system while refusing to integrate. I have not seen anything like it from the Asians and no rejection either.

...and There you go...

[Obamot]

... well, well ... Here I answer. But obviously if we find palliatives ... then we will not solve the fundamental problems, nor the root causes.

Should we wish for a big crisis to put everything back on the table? Who would want that, socially it would be catastrophic (always the same toast, no) ... Isn't it Ahmed? And you, what would you think of what will remain of Europe in ten years?

[bamboo]

- The right of referendum and initiative is sorely lacking, in many countries there is not both!

What if a Swiss just uses this right he has to request a consultation on the entry of Switzerland into Europe?

What if they were playing the game of solidarity by participating in the redistribution budget towards over-indebted countries?

It can also be that Europe, in 10 years ...

[Obamot]

It's not wrong ... That's why I'm talking about it. But if their boxes are not "empty", it may also be because they do not live beyond their means?

Because on the other hand, it seems that Switzerland has already voted, with a "moratorium" ending precisely in ten years!
http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/stor ... E-31602893

The irony of your proposal could well cause the Swiss to lose many of their rights when entering Europe, and precisely the right of initiative and of referendum. Since they would be completely subservient to the rights and dictate of the European Goliath ...

So you would eventually be for "A federalist Europe, with the right of referendum and initiative"? And a "European President", that's it? Is this the case and where? In which countries do these rights exist? And will these rights exist everywhere in ten years? I have a big doubt about that! To see how Europe was brought ... And what is happening there ...>

And so - without doing primary anti-Europeanism - you would still be confident and "Would think that Europe would still exist in ten years ..." And that it would have become more "democratic" ...? It is to be seen, let's be positive. But eyes wide open ...