Gaps in National Education programs and limits of new narcissistic educational methods

[Christophe]

There is some truth:

[Ahmed]

... he drives open doors! However, it is good to repeat some things and the educational system is obviously used to reproduce society.
He said something not very nice about animals, but I think it was more of a rhetorical figure, so do not take it literally ...

[Christophe]

Alexandre Astier about education:

[Remundo]

interesting speech even if it remains a bit confusing and leaves many questions unanswered.

indeed the "internet generation" comes into conflict with the traditional learning of knowledge.

there is a deep current in the National Education to teach less and less knowledge for the benefit of pseudo-skills that would be alpha and omega, real knowledge is just available in googlisant ...

the problem is that to build a reflection, and also to have a critical sense in the face of a tsunami of information more or less exact and true in specific contexts and not others ... one must have an important baggage of knowledge.

we can compare that to a car that has all the skills (brake, accelerate, turn, reverse), but who does not have the knowledge of the terrain (the road map), it goes to the ditch very quickly, or she remains motionless ...

For me the contribution of the internet is to be a large accessible library, there are also interesting visual resources (animations, films, photos ...), but I think that we must continue to teach knowledge and classic way, no offense to the "progressives" and great gurus of "educational sciences".

[Christophe]

[thibr]

we should check the definition of the rectangle in 1970

[Christophe]

It's not wrong ... a surface would have been fairer ...

Nevertheless, the message is real ... although a little caricature!

In school of ing, in 1998, I was already told that the level was in free fall ...

[Christophe]

Repeded on FB:

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With the following legend:

"Formerly Public education, today National education ... The weight of words !!! Do not be surprised."

(I did not understand everything to the message of the legend but the 2 photos are nice )

[Did67]

In school of ing, in 1998, I was already told that the level was in free fall ...

We say that for a very long time. And I think that in 2073, we will say it again and we will be surprised that we were good at 2019 ....

In 1909, we are already worried about the drop in the level of French: "Designed for an elite, secondary education is inadequate for this mass that comes to us precisely from social backgrounds, from families in which we have never owned or never open a book, apart from some current books. (...) Students are no longer able to write because they have not done enough Latin, and they do not understand what they read. "

In 1911, the business world via the Forges Committee, ancestor of the MEDEF, notes the decline in the general level of recruits: "The engineers have become unable to use their technical knowledge and present their ideas in clear reports and well written. "

In 1947, the alarm is sounded, the baccalaureate is devalued, too many people succeed (3% of the population, wow): "Everything would be simple if the bachot still fulfilled its function. But, overwhelmed by the number of candidates that has increased prodigiously, the baccalaureate has seen its level drop steadily, to the point that it is not enough to qualify for higher education. "


What is astonishing is that when we look seriously at the question, the situation changes a little: the army has, during the time of compulsory conscription, for a very long time "imposed" the same tests on young recruits, creating therefore a fairly unique basis for long-term and fairly exhaustive assessment of the level of French people. And the result is:

https://www.persee.fr/doc/estat_0336-14 ... 207_1_5173

Unfortunately, this base disappeared with the end of compulsory conscription! And so we no longer say that for 20 or 30 last years (I do not remember when it was deleted in the 95 years ???).

[Edit: PS: I say "unfortunately" for science! Not for conscripts or for nostalgia for war ...]

[Christophe]

Unfortunately, this base disappeared with the end of compulsory conscription! And so we no longer say that for 20 or 30 last years (I do not remember when it was deleted in the 95 years ???).

A little after: in July 2002 precisely: Chirac anticipated its end, I remember it well because at 2 or 3 months I had to go ... I made a military preparation in 1996 which had boosted my reprieve until this date...

Today there is non-compulsory "civic service" (but strongly recommended in my opinion for its "social" training) ...