Falling stock markets, start of global decline?

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by Christophe » 22/01/08, 16:54

jean63 wrote:Looks like you're following the evolution of the cac? not very exciting the exchanges in the forums stock market; it is much more interesting and informative here !!! : Mrgreen:


Uh follow it is a big word ... don't forget that in economics there is economy so I try to at least pretend to be interested in it : Mrgreen:

For the fall the FED seemed to have found a small solution: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualit ... _de_1.html
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by jean63 » 22/01/08, 17:25

Christophe wrote:Latest American finds to avoid "the worst" (or the best, it depends on the point of view?): urgently lower the key rates !!

I don't even know if it's legal ...

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualit ... ourse.html


They always proceed like that in the USA ..... there it seems that it had an effect for today ...... the European bank lowers the key rate much less easily than the FED; it is besides reproached to him among others by Sarko.
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by Christophe » 22/01/08, 18:10

Always??? I had never seen a lowering that was not planned for a long time ... unless that of today was planned?

Anyway, is it time to take a loan if I understand correctly? Will take me 3 plasma 1.5m! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by Pyvesd » 22/01/08, 19:15

Christophe wrote:Always??? I had never seen a lowering that was not planned for a long time ... unless that of today was planned?


in general the FED makes according to the economic data of the past quarter ...

Anyway, is it time to take a loan if I understand correctly? Will take me 3 plasma 1.5m! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:


yes, but think about taking it to the US !! : Mrgreen: and buy yourself a house too, there are quite a few that are sold off right now :P
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by gegyx » 22/01/08, 21:58

Falling stock markets, start of global decline?
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No, it's normal, it seems (?)

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by jean63 » 23/01/08, 15:51

An interesting analysis of the situation:

January crash: first lessons
How to define a crash? Beyond all academic ratiocination, is it not simply a violent and unreasonable drop in prices leaving a scar on a very long-term graph? ... And, if we believe this definition, a a simple glance at a graph of the CAC 40 over 10 years will be enough to convince those who still doubt it - or who wonder if they have not just had a bad dream ... - that we have indeed live a crash.

And, in this case, it will cause profound consequences, financial of course, but above all psychological: as we said yesterday, certainly not the end of the world but certainly the end of a world ... End of a world where hundreds of billions of doubtful or even nauseating assets could be cheerfully valued like values ​​of father of family ... And, with financial ills, financial remedies, which explains why the good doctor Bernanke either - all logical - gone from homeopathy to the hypodermic syringe (the Fed had never lowered its rates by 0,75% all at once ...), at the risk of course of ending a patient more and more under infusion... Because, naturally, the multiplication of injections results in an accentuation of expectations of inflation and fall of the dollar, which lead to an increase in commodity prices which in turn feeds inflation expectations and so on ...

Consequently, in the short term, stocks will benefit, quite pathetically, it must be said, from the monetary generosity of the Fed (which, by and large, will print as many banknotes as it takes to keep Wall Street head out of whack. water) while raw materials could, paradoxically be the subject of profit taking (you have to find them somewhere! ...) prudential ...
In the medium term, on the other hand, it will be exactly the opposite. Whose act


source: http://www.boursorama.com/conseils/deta ... ws=5062917
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by Christophe » 23/01/08, 16:01

Wow what a tone for a financial analyst! They suddenly go up in my esteem!

Jean, I allowed myself to put in bold the passage which "hurts" in your post ...
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by Remundo » 23/01/08, 18:34

Americans can afford whatever they want.

Paradoxically, they are in an excellent position since they can weaken the world economy by letting their economy languish ... and they rebuild their health when they want, but not the others !!

Indeed, they can play the rates, and even play with the markets by a simple press release from the FED, without touching the rates ... BUT ESPECIALLY, by playing on the price of a barrel of oil.

They have control of all of the world's strategic derricks and pipelines.

They create a war when they want with Iran. They are also in the process of hiding behind Israel (which is seriously scrapping with Syria and Lebanon, with their support ...) to legitimize an intervention that they exceptionally have the modesty not to engage "for free".

This health will remain bad for non-oil blocs like Europe or China. Only the Russians are doing their game a little better with their gas and the recovery of their army with "gazoroubles". And China is starting to seriously establish itself in East Africa for its oil ...

Bush knows it, his staff too: the fundamentals of the USA are very good economically and militarily. Do not be fooled by the deceptive appearances of the "subprime" smokescreen which, between us, is typical of the outrageous speculative "scam" of the USA. : Evil:

For our part, poor little European econologists, let's take advantage of the lower rates to finance a purchase on credit. Do not go too hard anyway because pay / premiums may not increase if the US lets the recession go seriously. They have to hurt us a little before bouncing back ... the USA has all the cards in hand ... as very often!

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by Christophe » 26/01/08, 08:36

Andre wrote:The stock market
It is a sea with many medium poisons which eat the small ones and are made eat by some very large fish.
There is only one way to become very rich is to legally steal the savings of the average people, who are the most numerous, the very poor hide their poverty, governments maintain them on the limit, they are voters useful maneuverable at the opportune moment ..?


It only involves me but I believe that the word "theft" is another term for "stock market speculation"...
The stock market has currently lost its main role: enabling investment in companies for their development and this in the long term ...

Andre wrote:Or it hurts, it is the worker who has saved during his whole life, in order to have enough income when he is retired (retirement in America is very disparate and very low compare to what you have in France )
the few $ placed melt, in the end after if the boy has not placed capital, he finds himself simply after 15 years below what he had put for those old days


I rarely disagree with you André but what hurts me is, conversely:

a) the Paris stock exchange held 40-50% by American pension funds (in other words, American retirees hold us by the balls ... think of their mobile home and their round of golf) ...

b) the French workers (European rather) dismissed because of relocation (or other) consequence the always more important search of the profit by the shareholder and so indirectly by American retirees ...


Andre wrote:When it does not happen to him simply one like I underwent a NORBURG flight which disappears had all the small placements of the honest people ..


The thief is not NORBURG but the "traders" who have placed 100% of your money on it without limiting the risks ...

Andre wrote:In reality we should all withdraw our assets from banks and place money to put it in a fireproof metal box and use it as needed. Tear up credit cards, only make money transactions.
I knew a scrap dealer, his money (placed) aluminum ingots flowed.


It would be funny ... the consequence would be the collapse of the capitalist system in its current form ...

Andre wrote:In all this discussion there are those that their whole salary is not enough to survive, eat, find accommodation, so for them the stock market is far in their vision, one day they will reach the age or they will no longer be employed , hoping that they live in a country with fair social measures (America is very far from being social)


I summarize but for me the purse has become simply the biggest casino in the world ...
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by Christophe » 26/01/08, 08:41

Remundo wrote:This health will remain bad for non-oil blocs like Europe or China. Only the Russians are doing their game a little better with their gas and the recovery of their army with "gazoroubles". And China is starting to seriously establish itself in East Africa for its oil ...


By consuming gas and oil, we are all somewhat responsible for the geopolitical situation and international tensions on energy ...

Limiting our consumption will make us less responsible ...
This is also the reason for changing the heating ... and I'm not talking about the risks for the medium term future ...

I mentioned it briefly in this article: https://www.econologie.com/pourquoi-choi ... -3606.html

The rest will arrive next week ...
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