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by Gaston » 12/11/14, 15:12

titiyador wrote:Well, I have just made a "summary" calculation, not being a specialist or a physicist:

One pump: 15 W * 2 (two pumps): 30 Wh. Let's say they will work 12 hours / day (but hey I still have to find a 12 V programmer, which is quite expensive from what I could see), or 360 w / d of consumption. It would therefore already be necessary to produce 360 ​​W / day just for the pumps. In the worst case, what I could do would be to connect a panel directly to the pumps which would start up as soon as the sun came up (via a 10 A regulator). So no need for a programmer. A 50 Wp panel is required.

For the heating bulb, let's say 100 W at the rate of 12 hours of daily operation (I remind that it will be installed in the greenhouse and that the temperature rises quickly enough as soon as there is a radius, not to mention the solar air heater that I made last year with soda cans and which, thanks to a fan, provides a lot of additional degrees) which would give 100 * 12 = 1200 W / day.
So far the calculations are correct (despite unfortunate unit errors ...)

titiyador wrote:Thus the month of March (period of resumption of breeding) in Lille gives 121.1 hours of sunshine, or 3.9 hours / day on average (source: http://www.meteofrance.com/climat/franc ... 1/normales )

Thus for 4 peak power panels of 100 W each, this would give 4 * 100 * 3.9 = 1560 w / day. But the average sunshine does not take into account that the panels produce, certainly less, but still produce in cloudy or even rainy weather (these are panels with monocrystalline cells). So we have at least 1560 w / day on average.

Would that apparently be enough to power the bulb as expected if we exclude the pumps, or am I completely off the plate?
There on the other hand, I think that you are too optimistic.
First of all, the 121,1 hours of sunshine are not necessarily at noon, when the sun is well in front of the signs.
I think you have to divide the production by a factor of 2 because of the angle of incidence.

Then (and this is even more annoying), as the elephant points out, we cannot size this kind of installation on a monthly average: despite 121,1 hours over the month, you can very well have more than 10 days consecutive without sun.
In this case, either you have a backup solution (independent heating, generator, extension cord, ...) or you have to design a very large storage (therefore very expensive) especially as on days without sun, the greenhouse heats little and the bobbin panel does not produce either, so power consumption will be greatest on the days when the panels produce the least.
For a consumption of 1200Wh / day, for 10 days, a storage of 12kWh is needed ... i.e. a battery of more than 1000Ah in 12V.
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by titiyador » 14/11/14, 16:14

Hello Gaston,

Thank you for your answer. Indeed it is better that I am pessimistic about the project to avoid, once the installation on the way, unpleasant surprises.

When you wrote "emergency solution", I immediately thought of a wind turbine, having a garden overlooking the countryside, with no discomfort in the face of the prevailing winds (west in our region). I think it would be a good "primary" backup option (the secondary being an extension, or rather bringing the chicks home. : Cheesy: ).

I don't know if you know anything about it, but what do you think of this type of wind turbine (500w, 12v): http://www.ebay.fr/itm/181186842101 ?


Thank you again for your help. Tim.
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by Gaston » 14/11/14, 16:24

titiyador wrote:Indeed it is better that I am pessimistic about the project to avoid, once the installation on the way, unpleasant surprises.
Pessimistic ... but not too much otherwise the budget explodes : Mrgreen:
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by titiyador » 14/11/14, 16:34

Yes it's clear. But hey I'm leaving for a few years of autonomy which is also comfort! If with 1000 € of investment I can be "quiet" a lot of years, (not counting ecological production even if the panels pollute strongly during the design ...) that suits me well !!!

What do you think of the idea of ​​the wind turbine? and the one sold via the link I placed?
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by Gaston » 17/11/14, 11:17

titiyador wrote:Yes it's clear. But hey I'm leaving for a few years of autonomy which is also comfort! If with 1000 € of investment I can be "quiet" a lot of years, (not counting ecological production even if the panels pollute strongly during the design ...) that suits me well !!!
It is a commendable approach : Mrgreen:

The weak point of this kind of installation is often the storage (the batteries) which has only a limited lifespan :?

titiyador wrote:What do you think of the idea of ​​the wind turbine? and the one sold via the link I placed?
I don't know enough about wind turbines to give an opinion : Oops:
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by titiyador » 17/11/14, 13:24

Thank you anyway Gaston for the time taken to answer me;)
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by titiyador » 11/02/15, 17:55

So, something new!

The 100 to 150 Wh / day announced at the start of the post is no longer valid. I'm going to go on a heating panel for chicks, which in addition to being close to the natural method (gentle heat from above, like that of hens and quails), consumption is very low: 42Wh / d for a panel of 40 * 40 cm (would normally be suitable for my breeding). If I add 5wh / d for the converter, let's say that I will consume around 50 Wh / d. it is no longer the same data as before.

Instead of 400Wp, I installed 500Wp of solar panels, and a windmill of 500Wp also (if it produces 100 to 200W from time to time it will be good!).

Good for the panels, I had seen that there is a "big" loss of performance due to the heat in the summer. So I tried to set up a cooling system which is still to be improved (there is a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrKv-nJj0Y )
The pump consumes little (12 to 14W) and is powerful (640L / h and delivery head of 6m maximum). The water flows over the panels, but not enough for my taste (not all the cells are watered;)). So I tried to reduce the path of the water to increase the flow by spraying only three panels out of the 5. But the result is the same. So I think the "problem" is not with the pump, but rather with the amount of hose. Rather than putting one passage, I am thinking of putting two. So twice as many droplets, which may cover a little more cells. To test.
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