The earth has surpassed its credit ...

[sen-no-sen]

oiseautempete wrote:

Ah, because you think we choose where are the deposits of raw materials?

Multi-nationals preferably choose areas where environmental standards are lowest and labor is the least expensive.

There is no lack of government “to arrange affairs”, the “planned” fall of Mossadegh in Iran is a good example.

What seeks multinationals is above all stability and security, it does not matter if it is thanks to a bloody dictator ...

We saw it with Total in Myanmar ....

[Ahmed]

Sen-no-sen, I do not agree with these lines:

Yes, hence my reflection on a "transfer" to help Sahelian peasants, among others.
The Zaï method is very painful, a mechanized help would not be too much / ...

The method of which the article of Monde Diplo speaks. has allowed to develop several thousand hectares without financing, without intervention of institutional; on the contrary it is part of a local initiative and AUTONOMOUS: that's what we do not forgive him and that explains the deafening silence that surrounds it (not a reference on Google ... [to compare with the number of pages devoted to Paris Hilton!]).
Resorting to international aid would fall into the traditional ruts: triumph of economism, corporate profits, misappropriation of funds for the benefit of small local leaders, mismanagement, inefficiency and Above all, loss of project management for local populations, hence lack of interest, strengthening of assistantship and cultural imperialism.

Oiseautempete writes:

… This looting does not exist because the looters are citizens of these countries: it is almost always the leaders of these "banana republics" who put their pockets full on the backs of the people / ...

What an analysis a bit fast!
That many countries of the South are under the thumb of corrupt leaders is easily explained: these countries are weak economically and politically *, they are therefore the plaything of the countries of the "center" which can, at their discretion, impose the governments which will favor western companies.
The proof is provided at contrary by the fact that when a country manages to democratically elect its representatives, the foreign powers do not stop buying or assassinating the newly elected ones: history provides enough examples for it is not necessary to insist ...

The result of this system is unstoppable, thanks to him the companies pay generous bribes to the local potentates, by means of which, they can take the national wealth for a derisory compensation and thus to the detriment of the coffers of the state and thus of the public services ... (health, education, equipment) **


* I speak at the level of international relations, obviously.

** This explains why countries with the greatest wealth are also those where poverty and misery are also the most widespread.

[Flytox]

And why do you think the big multinational chooses its banana republic?
Who allows the establishment of its puppet governments?

Ah, because you think we choose where are the deposits of raw materials?
What multinationals look for is, first and foremost, the stability and security, it does not matter if it's thanks to a bloody dictator ...

Stability and security of the profits of multinationals, Yes! Even if it means organizing some rebellions and other independence movements or ethnic painting etc ... all this to control the country with armed bands that prevent any "development" with the wealth produced. We have a good example of a French oilman who acts in this way by financing the power in place and the "rebels" .... or even when he does not act on the French government to send a few soldiers, or help to overthrow this or that Guignol in place.

[oiseautempete]

We have a good example of a French oilman who acts in this way by financing the power in place and the "rebels" .... or even when he does not act on the French government to send a few soldiers, or help to overthrow this or that Guignol in place.

Precisely no, the French government has never supported rebellions (an exception in Chad, but it was total anarchy at that time ...), only the governments in place ... Besides, the few countries or an "opponent" has been "democratically" (democracy as we conceive it does not exist in Africa) elected, are currently infiltrated by the Chinese to the detriment of Europeans for the monopolization of resources in return for supplies at price unbeatable (ranging from weapons to cars and household appliances ...), eg in Ivory Coast ...

[Former Oceano]

The Earth has exceeded its credit for a long time.

If last year it was in September, October, November December come from 2010 and so on.

There is no discount to 0. On Earth the only RAZ are tide.

In short, we have to live on credit for a long time.

It's like governments and organizations that are growing in deficit.
We are blind moles digging more and more their hole and sooner or later they will die.

And the Earth will remake without us. We will have made the RAZ of humanity.

[Christophe]

ex-oceano you tell us your poetic skills unless it's slam?

[gegyx]

Ty puffs,

Ty not puffs,

Ty cocks anyway ...

[sen-no-sen]

Sen-no-sen, I do not agree with these lines:

Yes, hence my reflection on a "transfer" to help Sahelian peasants, among others.
The Zaï method is very painful, a mechanized help would not be too much / ...

The method of which the article of Monde Diplo speaks. has allowed to develop several thousand hectares without financing, without intervention of institutional; on the contrary it is part of a local initiative and AUTONOMOUS: that's what we do not forgive him and that explains the deafening silence that surrounds it (not a reference on Google ... [to compare with the number of pages devoted to Paris Hilton!]).
Resorting to international aid would fall into the traditional ruts: triumph of economism, corporate profits, misappropriation of funds for the benefit of small local leaders, mismanagement, inefficiency and Above all, loss of project management for local populations, hence lack of interest, strengthening of assistantship and cultural imperialism.

I do not mean to implant businesses, only to help the peasants in their hard work.
What do you recommend?

[Ahmed]

I understood that it was not a question of setting up companies but of entering into an economic circuit which implicates them at one time or another, as well as all kinds of administrative structures which all aim, on the one hand to reintegrate aid into a "western" vision (to put it briefly), on the other hand to disempower the indigenous populations.

What I propose, you have already understood, is to be very careful with this notion of help that should only be exceptional, because otherwise it is the pavement of the bear * guaranteed (dependence, resignation from the local state, treatment of symptoms ...); then remember that we would have much to learn from these people, and first of all, that they could help us in many ways where we are in a position of manifest inferiority to them.

You say, very rightly, that the countries of the North will give up very hard to plunder the third world, yet this is the only way that would hope for improvement in these countries: stop giving blows rather than distribute sticking plaster !
* Cf: famous fable of La FONTAINE.

[sen-no-sen]

You say, very rightly, that the countries of the North will give up very hard to plunder the third world, yet this is the only way that would hope for improvement in these countries: stop giving blows rather than distribute sticking plaster !
* Cf: famous fable of La FONTAINE.

You do well to speak of fable, the notion of co-devellopement (which exists only in its last precisely) is entirely to define, without entering a logic of assistanat or neo-colonialism, it would nevertheless be necessary to to help certain regions of the world which are confronted with disasters of all kinds (the drought endemic of the Sahel is a terrible example) ... without any interested return.