electricity from EdF increase 2011 (CSPE)

[jean.caissepas]

Hello,

Reading this topic, it reminded me of an article read last year on the internet talking about a request from other European private electricity producers to the European Commission:

They wanted the European Commission to put pressure on France so that EDF increases its tariffs by 20 to 30% to find it at roughly the same price as them who do not benefit from the "low" tariff for nuclear energy.

The reason given and "respect for competition"

The European Commission would have asked France for an increase of 21% over 3 years.

I no longer have the link to this article which had deeply shocked me so much industrialists and Europe did not care about people on low incomes, but pampered the interests of the largest private fortunes.

This confirms to me in the thought that the lobby only plays the game of competition when it suits them, that is to say to try to impose high prices on the competitors in order to continue to binge with comfortable margins.

Our family has 8 hectares of wood and I beg you to believe that we are not about to resell them!

Wood heats 3 times:
- The first one, when we cut it
- The second, when we split it
- The third, when we burn it

[Remundo]

The continuation is worth its weight (or pedant, one does not know any more) of peanuts

The Minister of Budget, François Baroin, confirmed on Wednesday the three percent increase in electricity prices expected in early 2011, which should lighten the financial burden for EDF of the purchase of solar energy.

"It's confirmed," said François Baroin, interviewed on Europe 1.

"It is a variation of the Grenelle of the environment, which, itself, is a variation of the platform of Nicolas Hulot ", he defended, arguing that Ségolène Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy both supported this platform during the 2007 presidential election.
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The increase in January is the result of an amendment to the 2011 budget, supported by the government, which plans to increase the "contribution to the public service of electricity", a tax paid by each consumer to finance the development of photovoltaic electricity.

Source The Dispatch

Again, photovoltaics presented as the sole cause.

New fact, we now attribute this increase to the Grenelle of the environment ... and to Nicolas Hulot!

it is bullshit...

[Christophe]

99% of the French do not differentiate a power of energy, a Joule kW kWh a Gigawatt of a ...

Of course, but 99% of French people know how to distinguish a euro from a penny ... because it's really big money that we are talking about ...

[Did67]

This increase is not intended to finance solar PV is a pure lie, deception or manipulation (do not strike out the unnecessary mention, there is none) ... because if it was the case, a an increase in the CSPE of a few%, 5% max, would largely be enough to compensate for the increase in PV for the next 3 to 4 years ... i.e. not 0.3 cents / kWh but 0,022 cents / jWh ... that's 13.6 times less.

For the rest agree with you.

Ah, I thought I was going to annoy. Delighted to have been mistaken !!!

So okay for okay:

- I am convinced of a fundamental trend of increasing electricity in France, among other things to finance the new EPRs and the dismantling of the old plants (I don't know if they ended up in Brennilis, in Brittany, a very small reactor); incidentally, there is the huge debt of EdF, its acquisitions abroad and the ambition of its bosses ... And there is also that the State does not rack up for EdF !!! More means. It's up to the consumer to pay! In Areva to finance nuclear development (De Gaulle is dead; CEA has lived). Areva invoices EdF which invoices customers ...

Here. It's that simple. But to say that and to say "long live the PAC", it goes badly. So we say: there are too many VP! We reduce the tax credit on the government side; and we increase the CSPE on invoices (collected by EdF on behalf of the Caisse des Dépôts et Consignation, the financial arm of the government).

- afterwards, the "lies" to pass the pill, of course!

- manipulation to discredit the PV, of course (it suits the proponents of nuclear power, the EdF headquarters)

- people believe them (they saw spannels blooming in their environment and are possibly jealous of not having done it themselves) ...

Yes, manipulation of the masses! Logic in a republic which tends all the jorus a little more towards a functioning of banana republic.

[Did67]

New fact, we now attribute this increase to the Grenelle of the environment ... and to Nicolas Hulot! : Shock:

it is bullshit... :?

It's the genius of com, you mean ??? Main occupation of our politicians ... You would have seen De Gaulle or his ministers in the news every week, it would have been May 68 for less than that. Today is ordinary.

Like the cars that are now all green ...

30 years of Séguéla, and that's it. In our banana republic, we gobble anything. In Liberia, at the time of Charles Taylor, the children, a little shot in the kif, believed well that with such grigri, the balls could not reach them ...

It remains only to reflect a little to know what are our addictions (Ipod and co), who is our Charles Taylor and why we will fight ...

[manet42]

The speech will be the same as for the retreats:
In the other countries we start at 65, France cannot be an exception.
The others pay 20% more for current, so it will be necessary to harmonize ...
Elsewhere, we work on Sunday so ........
I also expect: elsewhere children work at 8/10 years old. To be competitive (globalization) will have to do the same.
Besides, Coppé has just offered a 6 th entry exam, those who fail will be able to get to work without going to college.
Finally, we should never have made school compulsory! Is this all the fault of Jules Ferry or maybe Charlemagne?

[jlt22]

Found on the website of the energy regulation commission

http://www.cre.fr/fr/documents/deliberations

The CRE opinion of 31/08/2010 on the CSPE:

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... xGiQPN.pdf

The rise is just beginning.

[Napo dwarf]

99% of the French do not differentiate a power of energy, a Joule kW kWh a Gigawatt of a ...

Of course, but 99% of French people know how to distinguish a euro from a penny ... because it's really big money that we are talking about ...

deputies and other ministers are part of the 99% in both cases -_- "

the first bachelor came is more aware than them, it's sad isn't it?

what I don't understand is why the greens and other green parties do not question the reasons for the increase

It could hurt considering that they have tendencies to socialism, right? Question the power in place

That there are increases the French can understand it but that they are lying .... are we donkeys of such mediocrity that we deserve to be kept in the lie?
Are we at war against our power in place so that it misinforms us?

why so much contempt?

[bernardd]

why so much contempt?

It is not only contempt, it is a strategy: we take as long as it does not move.

And if it moves, it’s because they’re bad terrorists.

Does that remind you of anything?

But as long as fear paralyzes, not really worry. You just have to keep maintaining the level of fear at the same time.

[Napo dwarf]

What I know is that the populace is fed up with these bunch of ignoramuses who govern us and that in 18 months it is the presidential elections and do not expect a second round PS and UMP, one of the two n 'will not be there -_- "

Does that remind you of anything?