50 years of "The limits to growth"

[Ahmed]

The external limits, as you have clearly specified, are those which nature imposes on a system which squanders them at an ever faster pace. The internal limits are indeed immanent in the functioning of this system which is condemned to always reduce the share of work that produces value* while erecting work as its principled basis. Currently, it is the value supposed to be able to be created in a more than hypothetical future that allows us to hold on, but this "unorthodox arrangement", as you say, only pushes the contradiction to a higher level.. .

* Knowing that not all work is a producer of value, even if it is useful, even essential to the management of the system (this is an expanding category).

[humus]

The external limits, as you have clearly specified, are those which nature imposes on a system which squanders them at an ever faster pace. The internal limits are indeed immanent in the functioning of this system which is condemned to always reduce the share of work that produces value* while erecting work as its principled basis. Currently, it is the value supposed to be able to be created in a more than hypothetical future that allows us to hold on, but this "unorthodox arrangement", as you say, only pushes the contradiction to a higher level.. .

* Knowing that not all work is a producer of value, even if it is useful, even essential to the management of the system (this is an expanding category).

What you are describing is the BAU and BAU2 model. Even if capitalism is not explicitly coded in world3, it is implicitly so by the choices of scenarios and therefore the choices of parameters.
Apart from BAU, there were sustainable world scenarios (without growth) which implicitly sidelined capitalism.
World3 does not say play politics! implicitly it does.

[Ahmed]

This is absolutely correct, solutions are never envisaged except within the system, whereas the problem is the system! The difficulty is to move from this system to something else when, regardless of the lack of political will, this world is meticulously set up to function according to this declining model...
Ultimately, it will be events that will decide, unfortunately, but there will remain, I hope, some interstices for the emergence of new seeds.

[humus]

This is enough to fill the gaps with lead.
"We are tired of the permanent apocalypse", not stupid!
It is above all to put under the rug that We are doing absolutely nothing, or almost nothing, to avoid this apocalypse.
Living with "there must be growth" and "growth leads to apocalypse" is tiring indeed, like any conflict...

From my point of view manipulation by fear is a windfall by those who have a lot to lose if the world really changes to avoid this apocalypse.
From the point of view of manipulators by fear: "We must avoid the apocalypse but by not changing anything in the system that leads to the apocalypse" because it keeps them at the head of power, financial or political

From this sequence

[humus]

While some are playing war just to entertain themselves or to inflate their already sick ego (by definition ), these are intangibles which do not forget us and which escape all diversion, alas.

Towards an impossible energy transition

Slow down or perish: what would a post-growth society look like? with Timotee Parrique
"...Why do we have an economy organized around exponential production? It doesn't make sense"
I translate, why do we have a capitalist economy? it does not make sense.