C-Zen and Antro Solo: electric vehicles are here!

[netshaman]

Well it has the look of a 4 * 4 what.
There is also worse design question, you just have to see that of the renault proto which was passed to the emission "ecolo" of tf1 I do not know what day, with its green windows mouarrrf !!!!
I was very fed up seeing it.
Share against what do you find incredible?
The fact that it hits the 90s with this design and this "shit" aerodynamics?
Bof it's not too bad for a vehicle of this category, must not forget that its body is entirely modular (always according to the site).

[Christophe]

Reno's zero pipo is more than anything we agree but the C Zen is a toy for spoiled parents!

Like the buggies which were all the rage for a while (quickly finished apparently). A toy at 30 € for traders yes ...

Uh ... the blue car has 330 € / month, it cools me a bit you see!

No it is "correct" to see what it understands: if it is that a rental without option to buy is pipo ... if there is an option to buy at the end it is "correct "(similar to a car loan for a car costing around € 20).

Because you think that 0.5 € per km is cheap?

100 km = 000 €?

It is rather very high: it is the cost price of a large German sedan of 200 hp ... and not even in gasoline!

[Christophe]

Oh shit, I misread: you say 0.005 € per km?

But of course and the groundhog it drives?

[netshaman]

Well no because she is myopic (like a mole) ...
mouarrfff, it's humor at 51364879151351512 eme degree.
It is certainly a toy but it is damn well equipped qd even.
Anyway, if indeed the blue car has a purchase option, it may be interesting.
But I am afraid that they will give us the blow of the ev1 ie a rental which does not end with an option without purchase.

[I Citro]

... But I am afraid that they will give us the blow of the ev1 ie a rental which does not end with an option without purchase.

I fear it too.

[Christophe]

What does Elec think of it?

Except that the EV1 was, I think, not so expensive to rent if?

[I Citro]

... Except that theEV1, was, I think, not so expensive to rent if?

It was a question, from memory, of variable amounts.
I don't know what the terms were (mileage, contribution, ...?)

I have read or heard amounts of 500 $ / month. it was 10 years ago

[Christophe]

It is not indicated on the Wiki articles?

Ah if you're right!

The price of the vehicle used for the rental calculation ranged from $ 33 to $ 995, which represented monthly rents of $ 43 to $ 995. Auto Industry Official Says Each EV1 Cost GM About $ 80, including research and development costs. The vehicle rental price also depended on state discounts. At the time, the cost of electricity used as the driving force of the vehicle was about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of gasoline.

Ben voila pkoi ca has been abandoned: 80 - 000 = $ 43 of dead losses for GM by EV000!

So nothing to do with the "bad oil lobbies" (at least not directly) !!

And $ 500 at the time that represented a significant sum (not to mention the evolution of purchasing power)

In 1998 the dollars were very strong: more than 8 French francs !! (it was the reverse parity of now: 1.2 € = 1 $)

[I Citro]

I remembered a range of $ 300 to $ 500.

Ben voila pkoi ca has been abandoned: 80 - 000 = $ 43 of dead losses for GM by EV000!

So nothing to do with the "bad oil lobbies" (at least not directly)!

Be careful, it is easy to make the numbers say anything.
do not forget that less than 2000 EV1 were produced.
GM is doing everything to limit the production, promotion, distribution of the EV1 and therefore its industrial depreciation.

With even 100 EV000 produced, the amortization of investments takes on a whole new look ...

If anyone finds the amount of investment and the true price of the EV1 from the factory, let it be said.
In my opinion, this last info is ultra confidential ...

[Christophe]

Precisely, it is good because it was deadweight that they did not make more than 2000 ... do you really believe that the CZens will do more?

Do not give me the "mass production" argument because when a product is not seriously and fundamentally not at all profitable it does not become "miraculously" from the 100th unit produced... even if obviously it can offset the costs ...

Do you want us to talk about the non-drop in solar PV prices on the real market when demand has "exploded" for 10 years?

GM made its calculations BEFORE launching the EV1 program I presume ... and one can thus wonder the pkoi of the program EV1 which was anyway lost in advance?

After obviously what is profitability? How much does it cost to avoid air pollution with EVs? As long as we do not put this in the balance in favor of electric vehicles, the debate will be pipotated in advance!

But that's another debate ... although ...