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by Ahmed » 13/05/15, 22:31

Janic, you write this amazing first sentence:
Moreover, this device is not any free energy or miraculous surunity. According to them, it would provide 12 kw / h for a consumption of 4 kw / h for the air compressor and the operating losses.

However this corresponds very exactly to the definition of overunit, since there is, at least according to the "designers" more energy at the output than at the input. No particular value of additional energy is required to satisfy the overunit condition.
Here, 4 is the unit consumed and 12 what is produced => the ratio is therefore 1/3; input / output.
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by raymon » 13/05/15, 23:23

A scientific explanation of Rosch yes I know Peswili ...
http://pesn.com/2015/05/13/9602617_scie ... cy-system/
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by Janic » 14/05/15, 08:07

Ahmed hello
Janic, you write this amazing first sentence:
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Moreover, this device is not any free energy or miraculous surunity. According to them, it would provide 12 kw / h for a consumption of 4 kw / h for the air compressor and the operating losses.


However this corresponds very exactly to the definition of overunit, since there is, at least according to the "designers" more energy at the output than at the input. No particular value of additional energy is required to satisfy the overunit condition.
Here, 4 is the unit consumed and 12 what is produced => the ratio is therefore 1/3; input / output.

My wording was related to this sentence
Those who have faith know well that pray God is the best way to reach their end
Hence the term " miraculous ! But it is only simple mechanics and that anyone can reproduce with a minimum of DIY. After, AND ONLY AFTERcritics can rush to credit or discredit this system, like any other. But here and there I read reviews, a priori, on a video or a text that promises wonders and which can be the "diesel" of the future or a flop.

Fewerwatts hello
It's bullshit as these people know how to produce it by the kilometer. It's possible! But on an industrial level if the system does not correspond to what it offers, it will quickly fall apart and "the fight stopped fighters"Or he is reliable and"despite the dogs that bark the caravan will pass", just wait!
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by Ahmed » 14/05/15, 09:06

Janic, you write:
... simple mechanical and that anyone can reproduce with a minimum of DIY. After, AND ONLY AFTER, critics can burst to credit or discredit this system ...

If it were necessary, disregarding the best established knowledge, to reproduce all the nonsense that abounds on the web before making any judgment, there would be work!
You seem to forget that it is up to those who say, to prove the relevance of their statements and not to those who receive this information.

The assembly in question here is so crude that it can only be a financial scam (like many of these devices) and it is therefore not necessary for any industrial production to validate its physical functioning.

One of the main sources of the illusions is that the real nature of things is often perfectly counterintuitive compared to what a superficial observation suggests to us (the sun seems to turn around the earth in 24 h), another is that between several hypotheses, we favor the one that satisfies us the best.
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by Janic » 14/05/15, 11:13

Janic, you write:
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... simple mechanical and that anyone can reproduce with a minimum of DIY. After, AND ONLY AFTER, critics can burst to credit or discredit this system ...

If it were necessary, disregarding the best established knowledge, to reproduce all the nonsense that abounds on the web before making any judgment, there would be work!
a) To know if it is a nonsense, the only concrete way is to experiment it and not to challenge "a priori". See the Gillier / Pantone case.
b) I quoted Rudolf Diesel, whom few would have liked to believe until the system was developed and millions of diesel engines were operating all over the world. So as I said: or the system works and the donkeys will be on the side of protest or it does not work and the fight will stop for lack of fighters.
(c) If it was sufficient to dispute without proving any invention could not see the light of day.

You seem to forget that it is up to those who say, to prove the relevance of their statements and not to those who receive this information.
Not in this case (and I do not make myself more defender than accuser) since machines are visible and controllable by specialists. However, it seems that no functional fraud has been identified.

The assembly in question here is so crude that it can only be a financial scam (like many of these devices) and it is therefore not necessary for any industrial production to validate its physical functioning.
"E pure if muove"! An industrial process begins only if the prototype has been satisfactory: has it been satisfactory? It's up to inventors and manufacturers to respond to it, not to Internet users who are content (rightly or wrongly) with a video.

One of the main sources of the illusions is that the real nature of things is often perfectly counterintuitive compared to what a superficial observation suggests to us (the sun seems to turn around the earth in 24 h), another is that between several hypotheses, we favor the one that satisfies us the best.
Yes ! But much worse is to challenge a priori and principle, because not corresponding (perhaps) not knowledge or industrial habits.
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by raymon » 14/05/15, 11:29

I think this system does not violate the laws of thermodynamics. The volume of the air increases as it approaches the surface, law of boyle mariotte,

http://metaphysik.fr/manuel/index.php?id=3010088

and the air cooled the water while relaxing. the water will cool and may freeze if the system is not warmed by the ambient air. The compressor is also heating up there it is losses. One could imagine warming the water with the heat of the compressor.
It seems to me that the most important thing is that the air increases in volume while going up and warming up.
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by Ahmed » 14/05/15, 11:49

Raymon, this system does not violate any law of thermodynamics since it only transmits a movement with losses (as seen above), which is very commonplace and that it is absolutely not superunitary.

Janic, one thing is to be thwarted in his habits of thought, another than mathematical principles never disputed and which constitute the operational base, constantly verifiable, innumerable applications that result closely, are superbly denied through a trickery . If there was any possibility of the reality of the claimed phenomenon, no doubt that its marketing would already be a reality, given the very modest technical and extraordinary performance ...
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by sen-no-sen » 14/05/15, 13:49

If we follow the "logic" of this system, we should, by means of a series connection of this device, obtain an exponential increase in the production of energy at each loop: 4 kw / h in input then 12 in output, then 12 in input and 20 output, then 20 input 28 output and so on until a production of several megawatts is obtained.
Or to make it easier to couple the machine with itself, instead of using 4kw / h input, used 12 output, which would proportionally increase the power of the device, until explode ...
Passed a certain amount of energy one could also proportionally increase the size of the device and theoretically produce more energy than what emerges the center of the earth ...
If this kind of reasoning does not make you "think" about the immense error which emerges from it ... :|
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by Christophe » 14/05/15, 14:00

Quite sen, the energy runaway is the unbeatable and uncontrollable argument that I put forward to "destroy" any so-called "unitary" system ...

This system is the same as Mikhail's, do you remember?
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by moinsdewatt » 14/05/15, 14:52

raymon wrote:I think this system does not violate the laws of thermodynamics. The volume of the air increases as it approaches the surface, law of boyle mariotte,

http://metaphysik.fr/manuel/index.php?id=3010088

and the air cooled the water while relaxing. the water will cool and may freeze if the system is not warmed by the ambient air. The compressor is also heating up there it is losses. One could imagine warming the water with the heat of the compressor.
It seems to me that the most important thing is that the air increases in volume while going up and warming up.


But the air that has been compressed has warmed up and comes out '' hot '' at the bottom of the water through the injection line.

This whole story is as stupid as the air-powered car.
it will end the same as the quirks of Guy Négre. In the technical bins of history.
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