Between dreams and realities of Spain

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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by NCSH » 24/11/23, 18:20

sicetaitsimple wrote:Well, very good for Portugal over these few days, even weeks, but overall it remains a very important importer from Spain
https://www.ree.es/en/datos/exchanges/p ... -exchanges
Sorry, to get the numbers, check “view in tabla”.
Morocco is also an importer: It’s Desertec in reverse!

According to figures from Red Electrica, compared to monthly production via Energy Chart, this represents around 10% of the electricity production of the Spanish peninsula which is exported.
In fact, it's starting to do a lot.

The growth in electricity consumption in northern Morocco must have a lot to do with it; many industrial activities have been established there in recent years.

Despite Moroccan ambitions to reach 50% of electricity from renewable sources in 2030.
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by sicetaitsimple » 24/11/23, 19:09

NCSH wrote:
The growth in electricity consumption in northern Morocco must have a lot to do with it; many industrial activities have been established there in recent years.


No, it varies of course depending on the month but it is often less than 20% of exports to Portugal. Regarding the 50% of electricity from renewable sources in Morocco in 2030, you will allow me to be more than skeptical.
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by sicetaitsimple » 25/11/23, 20:25

To be more precise, see the following link, with the evolution over several years of Spain's trade with its neighbors (3rd figure), including 2022 "catastrophic" for France. It will be better in 2023



https://www.sistemaelectrico-ree.es/en/ ... -exchanges
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by NCSH » 30/11/23, 12:12

sicetaitsimple wrote:
NCSH wrote:Have you heard about a major event in Portugal lately?

No ?

And yet, Portugal spent 4 weeks in a row with more than 90% of its electricity from renewable sources.

Because no major media in France has focused on this type of information.

In the years to come, the share of wind and intermittent power will continue to increase, pushing back the others...




Yes, I had seen information like this, especially during a weekend.
But talking about Portugal, very well interconnected with Spain, makes little sense. It's a bit like talking about the production/consumption of Hauts-de-France within France.
Of course, barring any unforeseen incident, it will. It’s still the job of transport network managers.
Indeed, and this is very good, renewables will eject fossil production from the system.
(-around 35% of production of combined gas cycles in Spain this year compared to last year for example)
Production, not necessarily capacity which will have to be maintained more or less, unless replaced by storage.

Electricity network managers, which are not just limited to transport, do a good job, without us ever talking about their difficulties and successes.
Thus, there was a persistent rumor in previous decades which claimed that we could not/should not exceed a proportion of 20% of electricity from wind sources. However, in the Iberian Peninsula, as we can see at the end of 2023, there is clearly no problem.

Some experts have succeeded in spreading real fears on this subject: in 2004, in Denmark, this threshold was reached for the first time in Europe.
This country exceeded 10% in the year 2000, the logical consequence of a support policy started in the 80s; on this same date, in Germany, it is 2.5%, public support dates from 1991, it could even be when Angela Merckel was Minister of the Environment (to be checked)!

In 2004, the Danish political majority shifted, it was liberals who governed: paralyzed, they put a big stop to the deployment of wind power, then mainly on land.
However, it will resume, reaching 47% in 2019, and now 54%!
However, it is now part of an electricity network totally open to its neighboring countries: almost 100% of the electrical power of this small country can be imported/exported from one day to the next. .

Nothing of the sort in Spain, which in 2012 will also stop the growth in the deployment of renewable electricity, very flourishing until then, at the precise moment when the share of wind power reaches 20%.
With the consequence of the complete dezing of national manufacturers in this sector: Gamesa's wind power is sold to Siemens, the thermodynamic solar sector has still not recovered; ...
After having lived for 5 successive years at this level of 20% without this posing any significant problem, even in an electricity network isolated from the rest of Europe except with Portugal, the "crazy race" resumes during a change of political majority...

These setbacks must have given ideas in France, seeing the evolution of what remains of independent manufacturers in this sector...
We have returned more than ever to exclusively nuclear monoculture.

And yet, the Earth rotates... said Galileo to his opponents.

At 27% this year in the Iberian Peninsula, but also in the United Kingdom and Germany. These are now large countries for which it has been demonstrated that this works, without problems of a prohibitive nature.

Until when ?
Because the objectives to be achieved for these countries are 40 to 50% wind power in their electricity mix in the decades to come...

We will therefore know quite quickly if, in at least 15 years, with the help of high-power electrolyzers placed on their electrical networks, "everything is going well" as the other would say...

The XNUMXst century will be spiritual... Malraux said.
We can add that it will also be... renewable...
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by sicetaitsimple » 30/11/23, 17:20

NCSH wrote:We will therefore know quite quickly if, in at least 15 years, with the help of high-power electrolyzers placed on their electrical networks, "everything is going well" as the other would say...


This is certainly one of the possible solutions, among others.
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by NCSH » 20/12/23, 10:42

Some additional information.

No media seems to have noted this kind of information (4 weeks at 75% electricity from renewable sources for the entire Iberian Peninsula, from October 16 to November 15), particularly in France where the energy microcosm is exploding joy at having succeeded in perpetuating nuclear energy within Europe.
When will there be media silence against renewable electricity in France?

Using Energy Chart data provides some additional details.
Three days out of these 4 weeks stand out: October 19, 20 and 26, 2023.

A first sequence, from the 17th to the 20th, during which the percentages of wind turbines are increasing, to reach a record of 58.4% wind source in the Iberian Peninsula on the 19th, and another record 65,8% of intermittent sources in the electricity mix for the day of the 20th, thanks to the contribution of 8.8% of solar energy.

The day of the 26th was marked by a purely Spanish record of 55.77% wind power.
A percentage of 55% had already been reached on October 21, 2015, which shows that exceeding 50% daily has been relatively commonplace for around ten years.

These different days were not an opportunity for prices to fall below 4/5 €/MWhe: there was therefore no negative price episode!

For other European countries, the maximum value commonly obtained on a daily basis is 75 to 80%, or even 86% in Denmark on December 17, 2023, after 85% on November 23.
Denmark, Ireland, Scotland (if we could isolate the figures) and Portugal: these are therefore small windy countries on the Atlantic coast, which can easily export their wind source surpluses to their large neighbors.
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by izentrop » 20/12/23, 11:03

NCSH wrote:a record of 58.4% from wind sources in the Iberian Peninsula on the 19th, and another record at 65,8% from intermittent sources in the electricity mix
We need to talk about it quickly because it is a very ephemeral event. : Mrgreen:

Intermittency is beautiful https://www.ree.es/en/datos/generation : Wink:
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by sicetaitsimple » 20/12/23, 12:14

NCSH wrote:
Denmark, Ireland, Scotland (if we could isolate the figures) and Portugal: these are therefore small windy countries on the Atlantic coast, which can easily export their wind source surpluses to their large neighbors.

Yes, indeed in the small to large direction, exports are generally a sufficient relief.
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by sicetaitsimple » 29/12/23, 19:23

So indeed a very good year for renewable electricity this year in Spain.
Attached is the link to the press release from REE (the Spanish “RTE”):
https://www.ree.es/en/press-office/pres ... Spain-2023
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Re: Between dreams and realities of Spain




by sicetaitsimple » 02/01/24, 17:59

We were talking about Portugal above.
The 2023 figures are indeed very good:
Renouvelables 61% (25%éolien,23%hydro,7%PV,6%biomasse
Non-renewable19%
But still 20% imports is a lot.
https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... gal-240102
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