Prepare the exit ...

[izentrop]

This is not at all what I meant ... I mean that we must develop and impose local initiatives without counting on "the top", even if it means being "outside the law (lobbyist laws of course) during a time...

OK
Do you know that one https://sosmaires.org/articles/collapse/ ?

in real life, dominated by the economy, the climate could only be "saved" if the operation yielded more than the reverse

Let's lower our arms, so

Like it or not, the next 10 will be difficult and decisive.

[Christophe]

No I did not know but the extremist speeches never interested me!

In terms of giving up and saving global warming, some smart kids are already making a lot of money "thanks" to warming: climate-change-co2 / warming-of-islands-urban-paint-the-road-in-white-t15756.html

[izentrop]

Not so extreme, we have never been so close to collapse *, in case of road blockade, Paris has only 3 days of reserves https://villeresiliente.org/comment/1-nourrir-paris/, we must re-develop the food self-sufficiency of the cities, for that it is necessary that the oil becomes expensive, otherwise it is only a thing of bobos.

We depend on 90% of the outside to run our cars, but by switching to electric cars while keeping our nuclear asset, we will remain in the most competitive world.

some smart kids are already making a lot of money "thanks" to warming

Aurelien Barrau said no "green-washing"

* I've never been so close to the exit, so I do not care, but I worry about future generations and not in the twisted manner of François Veillerette.

[phil53]

Ahmed rightly.
When it is not enough, they arrange with circumvention strategies (remember the Maastricht treaty!) To disregard it.

Let us remember the referendum in which the French voted against bank-dominated Europe and that Sarcozy was signed in Madrid the opposite the year after.

[izentrop]

Regarding Maastricht, a bad deal is always better than not at all, I'm not for war.

Policies are the first to need banks. They have always mortgaged the future to reveal their pharaonic projects.
Before the first oil shocks, it was easy because of the growth. since there is the public debt that nobody dares to attack http://www.dettepublique.fr/
The crates are empty in all sectors, will have to one day stop to veil the face and act all together or make war, solution that I do not wish. The task is immense.

Barrau is on the same wavelength as the UN http://www.europe1.fr/sciences/il-reste ... nu-3752531

[Ahmed]

Izentrop, you write:

Let's lower our arms, so

It is not because a path is inappropriate that you have to give up any action. The most important thing is to think, because if you consider all those people who would be happy that the government is curing the anxiety, how many are aware * that it would involve profound changes in their way of life and how many would be willing to accept them? ?

The self-sufficiency of cities is based on the impossible logical reversal that has made them grow ...

You also write:

The crates are empty in all sectors ...

No! Boxes are empty only in areas that are not of interest to those who make the allocations; through the loan, the amount of money is in itself unlimited ...

@ Phil23: since Maastricht, the lesson has been learned and governments avoid taking the risk of consulting the "people", as with CETA ...

* They are not already aware of addressing the wrong interlocutor!

[eclectron]

Is it really reasonable to continue to hurt yourself?

The exit will be alone!
With the same confidence and same level of certainty as the climate-alarmism of the IPCC, ie null.
It would be more reasonable to say that we do not know much about the RC, so from there to act against ....
Enjoy your meal.

[izentrop]

Courtillot, leader of climate skeptics. have to wake up there!

[izentrop]

Sorry for the reaction, but Courtillot's false arguments have been dismantled for a long time, especially by http://www.clubdesargonautes.org/faq/le ... e-t-il.php and the latest clues about accelerating global warming are not deceiving https://sciencepost.fr/2018/06/on-conna ... tarctique/

The self-sufficiency of cities is based on the impossible logical reversal that has made them grow ...

Yes, coal then oil afloat and cheap. As said before, a significant increase in their price and everything changes. The longer it takes and the less we will be prepared.

[eclectron]

Sorry for the reaction, but Courtillot's false arguments have been dismantled for a long time, especially by http://www.clubdesargonautes.org/faq/le ... e-t-il.php and the latest clues about accelerating global warming are not deceiving https://sciencepost.fr/2018/06/on-conna ... tarctique/

I do not think I saw anyone contradicting the CR?
The causes, yes! ...And that changes everything. (Correlation is not causality ....)
I do not intend to argue on this subject, my opinion is long since.
Free to everyone to lock themselves in false problems.

As for the real problems, there are ....
Ahmed who always knows everything about everything, will surely help you ...
I do not remember when was a constructive proposal from Ahmed?
(There is a matter for controversy but deep down it does not interest me either)
OK, kiss,
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