Opinions about Covid vaccines, immunity, side effects and immunology

[pedrodelavega]

To track vaccination numbers:

https://covidtracker.fr/vaccintracker

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[Obamot]

To put urgently in parallel with the mortality to admire the “95% efficiency"

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Since May 3 mortality would be good in the "statistical background noise" looks like?

[ABC2019]

To put urgently in parallel with the mortality to admire the “95% efficiency" FC84395A-E558-4E79-A3A3-3EDF551E353C.jpeg

Since May 3 mortality would be good in the "statistical background noise" looks like?

what is this 25% rate?

[pedrodelavega]

To put urgently in parallel with the mortality to admire the “95% efficiency" FC84395A-E558-4E79-A3A3-3EDF551E353C.jpeg

Since May 3 mortality would be good in the "statistical background noise" looks like?

what is this 25% rate?

The ratio between death and recovery. Normally you have to put the 2 curves in perspective.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/germany/
Something not at all speaking to convince oneself that mortality would be in the "statistical background noise".
Example in Germany: This curve is also "flat" while deaths explode.

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Or, in Italy, it went down when deaths increased:

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[ABC2019]

To put urgently in parallel with the mortality to admire the “95% efficiency" FC84395A-E558-4E79-A3A3-3EDF551E353C.jpeg

Since May 3 mortality would be good in the "statistical background noise" looks like?

what is this 25% rate?

The ratio between death and recovery. Normally you have to put the 2 curves in perspective.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/germany/
Something not at all speaking to convince oneself that mortality would be in the "statistical background noise".
Example in Germany: This curve is also "flat" while deaths explode.

bah obviously a case fatality rate tends towards a constant even when the number of deaths explodes!

but I do not understand this value of 25%, it is for which country? in France with the numerous tests the rate is of the order of 2% ... as in Germany or indeed it is of this order there.

[pedrodelavega]

but I do not understand this value of 25%, it is for which country?

France
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/france/

[ABC2019]

In fact there is obviously a problem in the recovery of the French figures of "cures" which do not correspond at all to the number of patients,

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whereas in Germany they are much closer once the delay is corrected.

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suddenly, by evaluating the total number of cases per death + cures, we greatly underestimate the number of patients, and therefore we greatly overestimate the case fatality rate.

[Obamot]

I do not believe! If you agree with one constant, that's wonderful. So we agree on YOUR figures: there was no peak.

Bah ... The fact that lethality does not increase is an old debate. 1/1000 excluding EHPAD / EMS.
If you don't understand the data from your own sources, what can I do? Ask yourself these questions
(and / where to those who use them) I have only returned your own sources.
Just like when you confused mortality and lethality (is it over, not sure?)

As said many times, the debate is closed: I use Euromomo.

[Obamot]

PS: the “mutant virus” does not seem more dangerous, it would be the transmissibility which would increase!
But “transmission” does not mean infection. So guys, are you going to have to work out why these mind-boggling numbers aren't happening?



Small clues: transmission increases in CLUSERS with “FAVORABLE ECOSYSTEMS” for the virus (and not elsewhere) and this up to the top of the Gauss curve, then it decreases ...
After that, we can either test only in and around the clusters ... or the entire population by averaging and we will not have the same figures (and of course with the usual means of bias tests.)

But who cares: “the vaccine will save us all”! Finally I would say poutôt: save us from gene therapy

[ABC2019]

I do not believe! If you agree with one constant, that's wonderful. So we agree on YOUR figures: there was no peak.

Bah ... The fact that lethality does not increase is an old debate. 1/1000 excluding EHPAD / EMS.
If you don't understand the data from your own sources, what can I do? Ask yourself these questions
(and / where to those who use them) I have only returned your own sources.
Just like when you confused mortality and lethality (is it over, not sure?)

well no it's you who continue to confuse everything, yet at one point we had the impression that you had understood, but then you start to mix everything up again. You give a curve that shows the lethality (number of deaths divided by the number of patients) and that has no reason to vary when we have a peak of the epidemic, since the two increase proportionally, their ratio does not vary.

The peak is in the mortality, i.e. the number of deaths compared to the population - which it does not vary, so this rate measures the number of deaths well, and obviously that gives a peak.

Well, given the pointlessness of discussions with you, I will content myself with this answer, which I hope will be sufficient for all those who are really trying to understand the figures.