Is making durable is incompatible with growth?

Janic · by **Janic** » 29/11/12, 19:57

it's been a few decades that it has been expected that there will only be 2 or 3 global manufacturers, or even just one!

Ahmed · by **Ahmed** » 29/11/12, 20:07

The trend towards monopoly is well known.
It would be good not to limit ourselves to discussing only the production of automobiles, but to consider all of the productions.

sen-no-sen · by **sen-no-sen** » 29/11/12, 20:14

Janic wrote:it's been a few decades that it has been expected that there will only be 2 or 3 global manufacturers, or even just one!

Proof that an unnatural thought is at work: nature tends to diversity not to standardization!
Apart from standardization is a key factor in consumer society, if it were only a question of a car, well, it wouldn't matter, but it affects ALL areas.
The case of GMOs is in truth a hidden facet of this desire for standardization ... the next on the list, I let you guess!

chatelot16 · by **chatelot16** » 29/11/12, 20:39

you have to take examples to explain the automobile a bit is just an example

in all other product categories it is the same problem: the current economic system favors the new innovative manufacturer and completely prohibits them from starting ... so the big guys already in place do what they want without real competition

so liberalism makes me laugh! free fox in the poulalier ... the hens are free to eat or eat

Ahmed · by **Ahmed** » 01/12/12, 10:49

Chatelot16, you write:

... so the big guys already in place do what they want without real competition.

The theoretical basis of liberalism is "free and undistorted competition", however, as soon as a company stands out from the crowd, it hastens to eliminate this competition as best it can: exclusive agreements, discreet agreements, lobbying ...

The basic principles are a simple "dressing" hiding the essential.

Ahmed · by **Ahmed** » 01/12/12, 10:51

Chatelot16, you write:

... so the big guys already in place do what they want without real competition.

The theoretical basis of liberalism is "free and undistorted competition", however, as soon as a company stands out from the crowd, it hastens to eliminate this competition as best it can: exclusive agreements, discreet agreements, lobbying ...

The basic principles constitute a simple "dressing" hiding the essential which is that this system is utopian.

moinsdewatt · by **moinsdewatt** » 01/12/12, 19:37

Janic wrote:it's been a few decades that it has been expected that there will only be 2 or 3 global manufacturers, or even just one!

We see a lot of bullshit on this forum......

sen-no-sen · by **sen-no-sen** » 01/12/12, 19:48

moinsdewatt wrote:
Janic wrote:it's been a few decades that it has been expected that there will only be 2 or 3 global manufacturers, or even just one!

We see a lot of bullshit on this forum......

Can you please develop?

Even if this is a bit exaggerated, the trend towards globalization with a view to standardization is a fact.

chatelot16 · by **chatelot16** » 01/12/12, 21:37

Ahmed wrote:The basic principles constitute a simple "dressing" hiding the essential which is that this system is utopian.

utopian ???

the current system really does not have this quality!

utopian doesn't mean wacky

utopia was a very serious work: showing by imagination a possible solution

the current economic system is rotten ... any utopia can only be better

describing and studying a utopia is a way to move forward

in computer science we don't say utopia but simulation: the principle is almost the same: study a fictitious thing to see if it can work!

Ahmed · by **Ahmed** » 01/12/12, 22:50

Utopia is an old story that deserves much development, but to put it simply, let's say that it is the invention of imaginary worlds that can resolve all the contradictions of human societies.
These are systems which intend, from simple presuppositions, to regulate in detail the life of humans in such a way as to bring them happiness: as much to say that it is a question of totalitarianisms (it is necessary to read cioran on this subject, which has no words hard enough to refute these attempts!).

"... study a fictitious thing to see if it can work", yes, a hypothesis ...

I think that the economic system is utopian in the double sense that on the one hand it does not correspond to its basic principles (which perhaps leads you to qualify it as "rotten"?), Therefore that it is , as a minimum, not applied; on the other hand, if it obeyed its original dogmas that it would also be doomed to failure, since it failed to recognize that its instrumental rationality (the means it implements) aims at irrational ends.
In a way, it is the permanent failure of the system to achieve its goals that founds its legitimacy to pursue its research: after all, a classic figure in religious teleology!

The big question remains: can we escape utopias? For, in all fields of knowledge, there exists an unprovable proof postulate on which the rational construction is built: on the good initial choice depends the validity of the rest.
In the case of the organization (or non-organization?) Of society as a whole, it is easy to see that the consequences of the initial choice will, after a certain number of iterations, have a heavy impact on the society and this, inextricably ("butterfly" effect?).

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