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Re: my apologies




by Exnihiloest » 15/04/22, 22:56

humus wrote:...
it's not about anthropomorphization on my part but about illustration, example, like what nature is not only competition...

It changes absolutely nothing. What you see of nature is what managed to survive. It's linked to the randomness of nature's trials and of course in the end, we can only see what exists, so what has been selected, the rest having disappeared or died.
So contrary to what you said, there is certainly no reason to be "grateful to billions of chemical actions that your body performs unconsciously in order to be alive", since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention. Nature is indifferent, it lets the laws of physics play. That there is a child in a house destroyed by an earthquake, she does not give a damn. Tectonic plates move, stresses accumulate, the laws of physics apply, it blows up. It's nature. Certainly we come out of it, but through our consciousness, we transcend it.
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by humus » 16/04/22, 08:33

After analysis/reflection about Sieur ABC, I understood!
I understand that he doesn't understand what I'm saying but he answers anyway.
And I'm stupid, I think he understood and he really responds to my words.
So obviously I don't see his answer that I see as a very rotten / nauseating / vicious attempt to destroy what I'm saying.
But no, he is right next to the plate the cushy.
It's been 2 times recently.
I'm going to do my ABC: With 2 times we can make a generalization, since for him, 1 is enough. : Mrgreen:

You have to face the facts grandpa ABC, you're not as attentive as before... (if one day you were, because I know some not old people who never listen)

However, I will try to apply this:
https://www.capretraite.fr/blog/style-d ... nes-agees/
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Re: my apologies




by humus » 16/04/22, 08:47

Macro wrote:
humus wrote:
the anthropomorphization of nature has its limits.


it is not about anthropomorphization on my part but about illustration, example, like what nature is not only competition (speech of Remundo to justify the society "naturally" based on competition, whereas it is is a constructed competition and not a natural one)



Will live a few weeks in autarky without defense devices in a forest of central Europe where bears and wolves still live....

Come back enriches us with this experience of symbiosis and balance...

Me, I don't try...I prefer a session with abc's psychiatrist...She has big breasts... : Cheesy:

Oh it's small... : Lol:
Nature is not that competition (what I say) does not mean that there is no competition.
As in the body, there are cells that eat dead cells (or something like that, I'm not a specialist : roll: )
Fortunately, it's not just cells that eat the others, otherwise I won't give much of our carcass.
Capitalist human civilization is established* and friendly competition, it tolerates cooperation in order to compete better (phew! : Mrgreen: )
* normal since it is necessary before any other value, to be profitable financially.

I would prefer cooperation and harmony, it would be much more economical in everything and much more livable.
As humans, we have the right to evolve from the wilderness, we don't have to be so primal.
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Re: my apologies




by humus » 16/04/22, 08:55

Exnihiloest wrote:
humus wrote:...
it's not about anthropomorphization on my part but about illustration, example, like what nature is not only competition...

It changes absolutely nothing. What you see of nature is what managed to survive. It's linked to the randomness of nature's trials and of course in the end, we can only see what exists, so what has been selected, the rest having disappeared or died.
So contrary to what you said, there is certainly no reason to be "grateful to billions of chemical actions that your body performs unconsciously in order to be alive", since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention. Nature is indifferent, it lets the laws of physics play. That there is a child in a house destroyed by an earthquake, she does not give a damn. Tectonic plates move, stresses accumulate, the laws of physics apply, it blows up. It's nature. Certainly we come out of it, but through our consciousness, we transcend it.

Good same answer as Macro
Nature is not that competition (what I say) does not mean that there is no competition.
As in the body, there are cells that eat dead cells (or something like that, I'm not a specialist : roll: )
Fortunately, it's not just cells that eat the others, otherwise I won't give much of our carcass.
Capitalist human civilization is established* and friendly competition, it tolerates cooperation in order to compete better (phew! : Mrgreen: )
* normal since it is necessary before any other value, to be profitable financially.

I would prefer cooperation and harmony, it would be much more economical in everything and much more livable.
As humans, we have the right to evolve from the wilderness, we don't have to be so primal.

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to be "grateful to the billions of chemical actions that your body performs unconsciously in order to be alive", since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention

I wouldn't be so sure...
As if we know everything about life and the universe.
Just a food for thought: What is the difference at the cellular level between a living body and a dead body?
have essential cells disappeared between the two?
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Re: my apologies




by Ahmed » 16/04/22, 09:33

The same difference as between the one who perceives the relations between phenomena and the minds with drawers who only see independent "collections" without particular meanings. For them, "the whole is equal to the sum of the parts"...
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by Obamot » 16/04/22, 10:14

Exnihiloest wrote:since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention.
but it is absolutely false, the mere fact that you exist is proof of an intention, and its effects will last until your death.

Man has never managed to create a single living cell from "a to z", so the cell divisions that continue to keep you alive are not there ex nihilo, and you are very wrong not to consider that the mind does not contribute to the good functional maintenance of the whole (you should study stress medicine and learn how much the mind matters)
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by Exnihiloest » 16/04/22, 10:54

Obamot wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention.
but it is absolutely false, the mere fact that you exist is proof of an intention, and its effects will last until your death.
...

Free affirmation of a childish imbecility.
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by Exnihiloest » 16/04/22, 10:57

humus wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:...
It changes absolutely nothing. What you see of nature is what managed to survive. It's linked to the randomness of nature's trials and of course in the end, we can only see what exists, so what has been selected, the rest having disappeared or died.
So contrary to what you said, there is certainly no reason to be "grateful to billions of chemical actions that your body performs unconsciously in order to be alive", since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention. Nature is indifferent, it lets the laws of physics play. That there is a child in a house destroyed by an earthquake, she does not give a damn. Tectonic plates move, stresses accumulate, the laws of physics apply, it blows up. It's nature. Certainly we come out of it, but through our consciousness, we transcend it.

Good same answer as Macro
Nature is not that competition (what I say) does not mean that there is no competition.
...

You claim to understand that others have not understood you, when you obviously do not understand the answers!
The fact that nature is not only competition, it is scientifically perfectly recognized, in no way demonstrates that we should venerate it. If competition seems to be the general rule, we also occasionally see collaborations that work, occurring among the multitude of operations linked to the method of attempts/success/failures, and which are chosen for their success. It does not make it the result of a conscience which would have made this choice according to moral criteria, unlike man whose societies have always presented forms of solidarity, and even forms of institutionalized solidarity.
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Re: my apologies




by Obamot » 16/04/22, 11:08

And now he is renewing his feat which consists in erecting his ignorance as (pseudo) knowledge: what a pitcher.

Exnihiloest wrote:
Obamot wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:since quite simply, this result is not the result of an intention.
but it is absolutely false, the mere fact that you exist is proof of an intention, and its effects will last until your death.
...

Free affirmation of a childish imbecility.

Oh well, you don't exist then, I was also thinking...

As for your presumptuous side, which from the top of your “size” (nanometric) would like to suggest “that we would know everything about life”, it is here and in your initial reflection that “childish imbecility” (...but hey, we're used to it...)
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Re: my apologies




by humus » 16/04/22, 11:49

Exnihiloest wrote:You claim to understand that others have not understood you, when you obviously do not understand the answers!
The fact that nature is not only competition, it is scientifically perfectly recognized, in no way demonstrates that we should venerate it.

Well, it's a bit like ABC, "false banner attack".
Where did you see me talking about worshiping anything?
Being grateful to nature, your body, I assure you it will do you good, and us with it.
I don't practice this recognition enough but I have done it before, so I can talk about it. : Wink:

Exnihiloest wrote:If competition seems to be the general rule, we also occasionally see collaborations that work, occurring among the multitude of operations linked to the method of attempts/success/failures, and which are chosen for their success. It does not make it the result of a conscience that would have made this choice according to moral criteria, unlike man whose societies have always presented forms of solidarity, and even forms of institutionalized solidarity.

Human beings are supposed to have an advantage over all living things : Arrow: a conscience and the RESPONSIBILITY that results from it.
Perhaps the human being can, and MUST, be more intelligent than the primal nature, because of this power, because of this responsibility?

Your speech does not take off from the instincts / primary rules of nature.
Long live the planet of the apes who think they are scholars! Is that all you have to offer? Copy nature in what is most primary?
Not a lot of ambition...for a cador
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