Is organic farming really safe?

[izentrop]

To replace the subject "bio is a decoy" locked and not reopened...
Even Elise Lucet is getting into it, it's serious.

[Janic]

yet another trash subject of izmentrop after making a fool of itself with its vaccines and dangerous synthetic chemicals, having done far more damage than a flower could.

https://jardinage.lemonde.fr/dossier-11 ... ution.html
If you must use pyrethrum, read the label carefully in order to be sure not to not buy pyrethroids which are synthetic products, acting as violent non-selective and persistent poisons.

[Janic]

The cash investigation of E Lucet raises a particular point expected since the AB opening became a system, destined to be perverted by industrialists who saw AB as a cool hippie thing intended for a minority of oddballs presenting no real danger to their successful business.
But things did not go as they supposed with the demand for unpolluted agricultural products by these industrialists. And there the deal changed with growing demand, putting them openly in direct charge of poisoning.
As they have enormous financial means, they set up systematic denigration campaigns, relayed by the media,[*] using arguments, justified, that these "natural" products used were not without damage, the having put themselves on the market and therefore E Lucet, who knows nothing about this subject HISTORY, ended up playing their game…. Even with good intentions!

[*]As against non vaxx currently!

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

What to know about pyrethrum

The pyrethrins contained in pyrethrum are very unstable compounds: they are quickly decomposed by light, air and heat. They are therefore easily biodegradable materials.
- Half-life in soil: 12 days
- Photodegradation (half-life): about 10 to 12 minutes in direct sunlight
- Half-life in air: 1,5 days
- Product not detected after 14 days
Note: The persistence of action is increased in the absence of light (UV), which favors the use of pyrethrins in the premises.

https://www.penntybio.com/fr/content/96 ... naturelles

The accumulation of neonicotinoids in soil and
sediments led many experts to predict
not only impacts on soil fauna, such as
earthworms and springtails, but also on the
telluric or even aquatic microbiome, which
can in turn have health consequences
of soils and aquatic systems, the structure of
soils, their permeability and nutrient cycling
more generally (Van der Sluijs et al., 2013). Goulson
(2013) lists the half-lives of several neonites.
cotinoids in different soil types (see Table
1 in Goulson, 2013): Acetamiprid, under 31
at 450 days; Dinofuran from 75 to 82 days; the Imidaclo-
pride, from 28 to 1 days; Clothianidin, from 230 to
6 days; Thiacloprid, from 931 to more than 3 days;
and Thiamethoxam, from 7 to 353 days. Disparities
exist depending on the product, but also on the type of soil
experienced and interactions are possible between the
neonicotinoids and dissolved organic carbon in the
soil sorption process.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjXqKTq27H_AhWFdaQEHdlcC7I4ChAWegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fagritrop.cirad.fr%2F584501%2F1%2FFRB_neonicotinoide_web.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2qEs64zl9hlzabLGI-sUtB

[Obamot]

This thread pushes open doors again, if it's to tell us that "non-organic" is safe, we don't really see the purpose of your thread.

Besides, ORGANIC is a label and not a completely virtuous qualitative goal to be achieved (which would rather be sought in permaculture). Janic said it all. Although I would not be as severe as him, your thread is not useless, it is a real social debate on the world and the health we want. And as with pharma, lobbyists with the complicity of politicians tend to confiscate food and pharmaceutical safety at our expense, each time trying to make us captives of their consumerist model.

So it would be good for you to develop, what is your goal?

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

To be born and to live is not without danger, dear Izy-anti-bio Tartuffe.

[Janic]

Unfortunately the official organic is less demanding than the organic of the origins, the more than organic of Did, being less demanding to facilitate the conversions of new farmers partly interested in the best selling price than the current prices and intended, above all, to pass from one mode to another by "tolerating" so-called natural products, pending restoration of the soil and environment (hedges). Just going organic does not mean having the spirit of organic and understanding the underlying reasons; what is currently noticeable when the official organic does not have any more outlets (the large distribution) the farmers turn over to the chemical one to survive.

[izentrop]

Not only without a future because of its impact on the RC, does not allow to feed the world...

[Janic]

and a big bunch of usual lobbyist bullshit from the izmenteur and the joker speaking above. The aim of organic is not to compete with agrochemicals, but to offer consumers better quality food for their health, and these consumers, especially the youngest, were not mistaken and the explosion of its demand is proof of this.

[fracass]

Organic does have a lower yield.
Because the problem with conventional organic is to follow the pattern of intensive agriculture without using the same products, but others, often less effective.

And yet there are methods, organic, which allow higher yields than conventional agriculture, on the condition of not doing monoculture, which makes mechanization impossible and would cause prices to explode.

It would work if the majority of the population became peasants again, or if new sorting and collection technologies were born, not impossible.