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by kistinie » 25/11/09, 16:55

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The climate is actually deteriorating faster than expected !!!

As for the Earth's climate, it is something else:

Modern physics has been moving more and more towards an electrical and quantum behavior of matter for 100 years.

In simple terms, any physical or mechanical phenomenon now corresponds to an electromagnetic explanation, and cloud masses first.

The fluid mechanics that is our climate (pressure, speed, temperature ...) is the consequence of electromagnetic interactions.

This is the reason why active climate changes are made mainly with metals and oxides.


The reduction to simple CO² as the leader of climate change is in total contradiction with our current knowledge.
The reduction to almost all CO² of the IPCC is in the realm of propaganda and not of science.
http://www.objectifliberte.fr/2009/10/r ... raude.html

So I think neglect, solar factors, cosmic electrochemical climate manipulations but also the heaters that constitute all modern electromagnetic emissions (Radio, TV, GSM, Wi-Fi ...) is a profound mistake of physics.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Finally, for the past 3 years, in total coherence with the 24 dying solar cycle, the climate has been cooling.
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by Obamot » 25/11/09, 20:10

: Cheesy: We should stop beating around the bush.

The climate is changing for whatever reason.

So let's take the opportunity to question the lifestyle that is the cause, or that could lead to far more serious effects (depletion of resources). This is the opportunity we have, even if some people shoot themselves in the foot with Co2. This is a very useful debate for Amha society.
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by Lietseu » 25/11/09, 23:22

Well said ! Obamot

What is incredible is that we are told little or nothing about the pollution created by planes ...

Heard and seen this evening in Yann Arthus Bertrand's program "seen from the sky" each large-haul plane consumes 15T of fuel every day, that is to say infinitely more than "everyone" with his small car ... over 1 year : Evil:

As a philosopher, when I hear that people take planes regularly, I wonder: damn it, why must they go everywhere by planes?

Why go "to the end of the world" on vacation?

Am Belgian and citizen of the world, France, this superb country rejoice by the diversity of its landscapes and the scenery is total, the blue lagoons, I leave them to those who think that we have not traveled if we have not been so far (to pollute the beaches as a bonus)
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All this consumer madness puzzles me, and I sincerely admit that I don't understand ...

When I hear the Apache Indians say that the earth is their mother, I find it difficult to see things differently and like them, I do not understand that a moron had the idea of ​​digging the site of the region or lives in the apaches to the point of making it unlivable by extracting coal there (the largest mine is as large as Belgium! ie: 30 km528), and in addition draw water from one of the oldest water tables in the world to transport their coal - by pipeline - at a rate of 2 tonnes per day : Shock:

Humans fell on their heads, right?

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by phil12 » 25/11/09, 23:52

Air transport impacted. >>
http://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/news/875.php4

It is a bit dated but it locates the thing well!
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by Lietseu » 25/11/09, 23:53

+1 recycling

But was it not predictable?

For my part, I will not contradict you, I am sure that things will go much faster than expected ... and that 2010 will be "the beginning of the end" of glaciers and of the human species. :?

The poorest will of course pay, as usual, the first for the highest score ...


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by Aumicron » 26/11/09, 09:44

Lietseu wrote:each large-haul aircraft consumes 15T of fuel every day, which is infinitely more than "everyone" with his small car ... over 1 year

My dear Lietseu, unfortunately I see from here the specialists in hair of c .. cut in 4 who will show you with supporting figures that the plane is much less polluting than the car ...
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by oiseautempete » 26/11/09, 10:22

Lietseu wrote:
What is incredible is that we are told little or nothing about the pollution created by planes ...

Heard and seen this evening in Yann Arthus Bertrand's program "seen from the sky" each large-haul plane consumes 15T of fuel every day, that is to say infinitely more than "everyone" with his small car ... over 1 year : Evil:



consumption per 100km / passenger of a modern commercial aircraft is around 3L / 100km, assuming that the aircraft is full ... 15 tonnes of fuel for the entire aircraft does not mean anything. ..or then it must be compared to the number of individual cars necessary to transport the same number of passengers over the same distance ... and there we risk big surprises ... especially if we put ourselves in US standards (although since the crisis is evolving ...)
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by recyclinage » 26/11/09, 11:30

for the electromagnetic problem of the thing we have to replant trees to recreate an anti electro static cushion

if we replant the way we give for sparse beekeeping it will create buffer zones between the earth and the sky
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by Aumicron » 26/11/09, 14:37

oiseautempete wrote:15 tonnes of fuel for the entire plane means nothing ...

There, I told you Lietseu. The figures speak, the plane consumes less than the car ... because the kilometers traveled ... because the number of passengers ... because the age of the grandmother ... Before comparing consumption respective modes of travel, let's compare the interests to use them.

Because in planes, apart from "businessmen" who globally screw up the planet and tourists who get bored on earth, there aren't many people.

So 15 tons of burnt fuel to go to bask in the buttocks at the other end of the planet, for me that means something.
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by Lietseu » 26/11/09, 15:52

+1 micron

Here we are : Mrgreen:

Why travel so much? ... the answer is very simple and included in your answer, to make money : Evil:

Do you not find it extraordinary that we have not made a world report, while the borders which are a recent invention !?
At the beginning of 1900, we had no need for a passport for this move, nor did we need to fly every 5 minutes : Evil:

So we are faced with a poorly made organization, it is simple to solve .... Mr. X wants to work in India, or in Peru, and although he settles there with his family and then, instead of taking the plane 1x a week, he will take it 1x a year at Christmas to be treated as Scrooge by a distant nephew : Mrgreen:

Or so instead of moving to eat petit fours and have a blah-blah with a colleague, they do a video conference, M ... e :x

If they even wanted to, have a bite to eat, they could bring the caterer and each on the other side of a virtual table eat real food ... transported by a delivery man in an electric cart charged by a wind turbine. .. : Mrgreen:

But I move away from my initial idea, which intrigues me, it is a subject which intrigues the enlightened scientists who asks the good question that gives the passage of an airplane at high altitude at the altitude where it flies .

So here we are ... "Knowing that an airliner flies at around 850 km / h, or 14,2 km / min or 0,23 km / s, you can easily determine the length to the nearest 10%.
If the stopwatch indicates 2min, the drag is about 28 km to +/- 10%, that gives between 25,2 and 30,8 5km "

I leave to the mathematician the pleasure of calculating the number of liters of fuel useful for this 30km and, therefore, the amount of pollutant left behind ...

AT THE HOUR WHERE I WRITE A BRIGHT THUNDERSTORM AND HALLOWS OF 8 to 10mm FALL IN THE STREET ... A THUNDERSTORM BEGINNING OF WINTER : Evil:


Let everyone who has a head, meditate on what I have just written and draw these conclusions ... Meow :P

PS, I have a "respectable" age and I have never seen a storm in November, nor for that matter 10mm hailstones (in summer or in winter)
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