The dangers of homeopathy and food alternatives

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Re: The dangers of homeopathy and food alternatives




by Janic » 24/02/20, 12:59

ABC2019 »24/02/20, 13:21
janic wrote: Especially the increase in the price of the package!
Except that the effects of tobacco have been known, like alcohol, for centuries and statistical studies have only confirmed the evidence already observed.
but of course, the Amerindians knew that tobacco caused cancer, it is well known !!!
no need, tobacco was most often used during religious ceremonies and not in daily consumption. For cancer, there was no question like today, even when cancers were extremely rare. The health of Native Americans deteriorated when the invaders brought their illnesses and their alcohol!
could you stop telling absolutely anything, to change?
especially starting with you!
I take your stupid examples, for what they are worth, that is to say again obvious that have not been seen only recently!
but of course that if, since there was no increase before these last decades when people were not exposed to the Sun,

which represent only a minority compared to all outside trades which have hundreds of thousands of professionals who are not affected
how do you want to correlate without studying?
by observation! without it, no correlation possible with or without study and this is what has been done for millennia. TES studies have THAT a few decades of existence, roughly speaking for 2 centuries
do you think it was Archangel Gabriel who came to tell the doctors?
You don't even know what the meaning of this designation is. No one day, no one always! Doctors for millennia and in all parts of the world have not waited after TES studies to act.
you're just rolling out a series of absurd statements without any justification ...
And you without knowing!
Of course this can be promoted by EXCESSIVE AND BRUTAL exposure to the sun.
"of course " !! but how do you know it apart from having read it, and how do you think we came to know it, apart from doing statistical studies?
No need, observation is enough first, your statistical studies (which I do not deny useful in certain circumstances [*]) only interveneAPRES that the populations observed it first as all civilizations have done since their origins.
soon you will tell me that the computer you are typing on has been known for a long time and that modern science has only confirmed its existence, pff ....
Yes, they used the tam tam or word of mouth and it will be very useful when this current means will be turned against the same humanity that invented it (genre IA)
For the rest, computers only copy the biological mechanisms that did not wait after it to exist either. Therefore which technology with obvious limits (for now)

[*] for example at the level of vaccines, We could not demonstrate that they were useless, if, the official statistical annals had not demonstrated it. And yet, despite this, the myth shown to be false by these same statistics continues to persist. Like what, everyone uses it according to what they want to demonstrate!
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by Janic » 24/02/20, 13:27

he wanted to ban it because he didn't like the smell and the smoke that's all !!! there was no question of lung cancer! and the Church condemned it only as a "pagan rite"
the article is not limited to that, but also which emphasizes the dependence created which makes smokers, chewers, unable to stop as Jean Bart points out.

et https://journals.openedition.org/lettre-cdf/278
Very pretty, but at that time cancers, as such, were not recognized except as tumors among the others, most of which were benign. But for as much they are not cataloged as currently where the smallest patch of necrotic tissue comes to be suspected to be precisely a dangerous cancer even if not progressive.
so no Janic, sorry for your beliefs, but it is indeed epidemiological studies of the XXth century which showed the harmfulness of tobacco
NO, the harmful effects of smoking have been noted for a long time, but are not cataloged as much, but as soon as the microscope appears, even if it is summary, the abnormal cells are recognizable, particularly in pipe smokers and therefore identifiable on various other organs, such lungs.
and leads to an attempt to limit consumption - if there had been only lobbies and financial gain, we would on the contrary have had every interest in encouraging it !!!
As usual ! but the French State was the main shareholder of this product through its Régie and the health conflict between smokers and gains for the State led the latter to get rid of this monopoly in order to be able to follow a policy of discrediting this poison. But not for alcohol which is a very important economic sector and which should not be tickled!
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by GuyGadebois » 24/02/20, 13:48

Things have definitely changed for tobacco from the revelations of Jeffrey Wigand.
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by Janic » 24/02/20, 14:02

what has hurt the tobacco industry is their lies in front of the American Congress, which does not like sworn lies.
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by GuyGadebois » 24/02/20, 14:23

Janic wrote:what has hurt the tobacco industry is their lies in front of the American Congress, which does not like sworn lies.

And who revealed the lies? Jeffrey Wigand. This guy has done more for the health of smokers (and passive smokers) than any epidemiological study or other virtue leagues. It's called "an electroshock".
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by ABC2019 » 24/02/20, 14:34

Janic wrote:Very pretty, but at that time cancers, as such, were not recognized except as tumors among the others, most of which were benign.

so we already knew that tobacco was associated with lung cancer when we didn't even know it existed!

too strong ...

NO, the harmful effects of smoking have been noted for a long time, but are not cataloged as much, but as soon as the microscope appears, even if it is summary, the abnormal cells are recognizable, particularly in pipe smokers and therefore identifiable on various other organs, such lungs.

you are really down to earth you ... and how do you know that what you observe under the microscope is related to tobacco, and not to genetics, to what you eat, or to chance ???
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Re: The dangers of homeopathy and food alternatives




by ABC2019 » 24/02/20, 14:36

GuyGadebois wrote:
Janic wrote:what has hurt the tobacco industry is their lies in front of the American Congress, which does not like sworn lies.

And who revealed the lies? Jeffrey Wigand. This guy has done more for the health of smokers (and passive smokers) than any epidemiological study or other virtue leagues. It's called "an electroshock".

ah and yet janic tells us that everyone has known for a long time, in this case why would we have had to convince anyone if everyone knew?

and how did this Mr. Jeffrey Wigand know that tobacco was dangerous if it was not based on statistical studies?

concentrated Portenawak without logic in each post ....
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by ABC2019 » 24/02/20, 14:40

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Wigand

The “final crash”, the straw that broke the camel's back, concerned Brown & Williamson's refusal to withdraw coumarin as a pipe tobacco additive. The American authorities had already forced the tobacco industry to withdraw this substance from all cigarettes as early as the mid-1980s, sinceit has been proven to be hepatotoxic in dogs3 - and Wigand had learned in 1992 that coumarin was a " specific lung carcinogen in mice and laboratory rats "4.

Obviously, it has been known for centuries that coumarin was hepatotoxic and carcinogenic in dogs and laboratory rats, for centuries that we gave them !!! ImageImage
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Re: The dangers of homeopathy and food alternatives




by GuyGadebois » 24/02/20, 14:42

ABC2019 wrote:and how did this Mr. Jeffrey Wigand know that tobacco was dangerous if it was not based on statistical studies?

Think and read a little instead of braying ...
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Re: The dangers of homeopathy and food alternatives




by ABC2019 » 24/02/20, 14:50

GuyGadebois wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:and how did this Mr. Jeffrey Wigand know that tobacco was dangerous if it was not based on statistical studies?

Think and read a little instead of braying ...

it is clearly marked when you read the wikipedia page ... I quoted it to you. Obviously, laboratory tests have proven the toxicity of tobacco components, and laboratory tests are done with a rigorous scientific methodology, not by reading puppets like Janic !!!
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