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by sen-no-sen » 28/02/14, 18:24

Janic wrote:This is to presuppose that these "wise men" were precisely not, that the philosophers had not thought of them and that these religions were ignorant of human nature.


It is not a question of discrediting the wisdom of certain masters or philosophers, quite the contrary, but of realizing that humanity is a super-organism that is very difficult to reprogram.
How many masters of wisdom have ended in indifference? Much assuredly!
Christianity, for example, owes its salvation to the existence of the Roman Empire and its geographic and cultural expansions, without which this cult would have ended up in the oblivion of history ...
To change society, it is necessary to convey information quickly and to as many people as possible.

Sweet illusion contradicted by history. At each birth, you have to put your work back on the job, that is to say, try to raise the level of consciousness and, to this day, it has remained a failure despite the armies of psychologists and the religions of all kinds.



It is a peremptory statement, it is like saying "we have never seen stolen men" until the day when the hot air balloon lifted its first bipeds ...


Gandhi had told his people that responding to violence with violence would only generate millions of deaths without resolving their situation since England was better armed, better trained and might even have had the support of others. slave nations. His path has been passive resistance with a few thousand deaths which have avoided millions.


Gandhi applied the "wu wei" or principle of non-action, as Christ said:"if someone hits you on the cheek ..., it is a ... martial principle!
When a group is in inferiority (numerical, military, etc.) it is much more effective to advocate non-violence and to attract the sympathy of other groups.


Absolutely not ! Boxers are not in a state of self-defense (hence the use of this term: legitimate!), Bullfighters no more, hunters even less.


Self defense has nothing to do with it!
For there to be LD there must be an unjustified attack, outside boxing it is the fight of two consenting people.
In the same way, one cannot compare a boxing fight with a bullfighting killing, I doubt very much that the bull is consenting ...


Indeed, but without the will to harm, injure or kill, this is all the difference with humans


Oh no!
Young cats, dogs, wolves, ibex etc ... only train in the struggle for dominance.
Outside the dominance is everywhere, better your exteriorized healthily than the repressed.

However, people are more afraid of shrinks than of combat arenas. Because the shrinks face each other and it is a much more difficult opponent to face. From where these physical derivatives can, partially, evacuate tensions accumulated during many years, but which will resurface one day as for the cancers mentioned elsewhere.



People who practice combat sports are not disturbed, nor are pétanque players, it is a means of martial exercise (such as climbing, running, swimming), the theme here is focused on combat, quite simply.


It's when you want to run a diesel engine with gasoline or vice versa: it's not for. Or when a hunter picks up his rifle to shoot someone!


Except that life is not a block of monolithic, it evolves.

Completely wrong! They want us to believe with some cave paintings supposed to represent hunting scenes (more and more disputed besides) that we (all therefore) humans were hunters.


And precisely studies of bones show that humans were omnivorous, changing their food according to the regions frequented.
Likewise, it is observed that monkeys consuming meat (such as baboons and chimpanzees) have developed techniques and tools (for the latter) increasing their memetic capacity, which by causal effects leads to an evolutionary phenomenon.

But what interests us nowadays is precisely to question its eating practices in order to make them evolve towards ethical nutrition, sanitary and compatible with the preservation of our environment.



It is because the consumption of meat was only a last resort, an occasional supplement, that we are still here because, unlike the images of Epinal which are presented to us, where there are animals, there too there is vegetation and if the vegetation is reduced or disappears the anatomically constituted beings to feed on plants, move or disappear as observed by Darwin and that he expresses strongly in his work "the origin of the species" which served as a motor for evolutionism.


This theme has already been addressed in another subject, so I will not answer it, your answer especially underlines your desire to believe in a vegan past, apart from the facts are very different.

Plateau culture is not recent and is practiced in Japan as well. However, animal husbandry consumes immense areas which compete with agricultural areas for human use. It is therefore a choice of society because where we feed a cow, a goat or other we can feed 5/10 humans.


It is for this reason that Japan is largely focused on fishing.
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by Janic » 28/02/14, 20:09

It is not a question of discrediting the wisdom of certain masters or philosophers, quite the contrary, but of realizing that humanity is a super-organism that is very difficult to reprogram.

You put your finger on it! Reprogramming is adopting the same fault as the previous programming: namely programming precisely. So much of our culture has been programmed as "Christian", the trend is "atheist" programming. Is it better for a worse or the other way around?
How many masters of wisdom have ended in indifference? Much assuredly!

it is unfortunately their destiny!
Christianity, for example, owes its salvation to the existence of the Roman Empire and its geographic and cultural expansions, without which this cult would have ended up in the oblivion of history ...

Precisely not, it is only Catholicism (Roman and Orthodox) which owes its salvation to the Roman Empire and more precisely Constantine 1 °. But Christianity and Catholicism are two very, very different things.
Christianity (before we put this label on it) is entirely "Jewish", but with a Judaism opening up to pagans who believe in the god of the Israelites.
To change society, it is necessary to convey information quickly and to as many people as possible.

Except, as I said previously, that it is an impossible challenge to meet since at each birth it is a whole education (conditioning) to be carried out with a large part of the youth who enter, in principle, in opposition to this world which wants to impose on it anything that would not be a free choice (even if at the same time they are ultra conformists). So there is a gap between transmitting news and its adoption by the multitude. You may have received religious cultural information, but that doesn't mean you adopted it.
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Sweet illusion contradicted by history. At each birth, you have to put your work back on the job, that is to say, try to raise the level of consciousness and, to this day, it has remained a failure despite the armies of psychologists and the religions of all kinds.

It is a peremptory statement, it is like saying "we have never seen stolen men" until the day when the hot air balloon lifted its first bipeds ...

Precisely, men still do not fly! They get on devices that fly.

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Gandhi had told his people that responding to violence with violence would only generate millions of deaths without resolving their situation since England was better armed, better trained and might even have had the support of others. slave nations. His path has been passive resistance with a few thousand deaths which have avoided millions.

When a group is in inferiority (numerical, military, etc.) it is much more effective to advocate non-violence and to attract the sympathy of other groups.

Or it's the other way around! Given its minority, this favors the violence of individuals in numerical superiority, and especially the military! If I trust my experience and the testimony of other people in the same situation (like the VG) this is what is happening.
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Absolutely not ! Boxers are not in a state of self-defense (hence the use of this term: legitimate!), Bullfighters no more, hunters even less.

Self defense has nothing to do with it!
For there to be LD there must be an unjustified attack, outside boxing it is the fight of two consenting people.
In the same way, one cannot compare a boxing fight with a bullfighting killing, I doubt very much that the bull is consenting ...

Only I do not bring into competition two modes of violence, there are not on the one hand the good ones and on the other the bad ones, even agreed (sic) which would open subjectivity on it. For example hitting a child or his mother (the most frequent) to ensure his authority, therefore his domination, over others would become good violence. (marriage being consent for the better and therefore there for the worse!)

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Indeed, but without the will to harm, injure or kill, this is all the difference with humans

Oh no!
Young cats, dogs, wolves, ibex etc ... only train in the struggle for dominance.

Except that this struggle is either a struggle for survival (which is not the case with the examples cited) or for sexual competition (which again does not concern these cases cited)
Outside the dominance is everywhere, better your exteriorized healthily than the repressed.

Everything is personal point of view! But indeed where the pressure that our type of society produces is at a high level of stress, externalization is a way of operating the safety valve, but this only concerns those who have internal violence, not others. , and therefore the importance of a psychological analysis to grasp the internal mechanisms and the release does not resolve the reasons that lead to this violence.
People who practice combat sports are not disturbed, no more than pétanque players, it is a way to exercise martially (such as climbing, running, swimming), the theme here is focused on combat, quite simply.

Except that in some of these sports, the challenge is towards oneself and not against others.
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It's when you want to run a diesel engine with gasoline or vice versa: it's not for. Or when a hunter picks up his rifle to shoot someone!

Except that life is not a block of monolithic, it evolves.

Still this belief in evolution, but it's your choice!
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Completely wrong! They want us to believe with some cave paintings supposed to represent hunting scenes (more and more disputed besides) that we (all therefore) humans were hunters.

And precisely studies of bones show that humans were omnivorous, changing their food according to the regions frequented.

You confuse DES with LES because all scientists, including some paleo-anthropo-pathologists, do not share THIS point of view.
Likewise, we note that monkeys consuming meat (such as baboons and chimpanzees) have developed techniques and tools (for the latter) increasing their memory capacity, which by causal effects leads to an evolutionary phenomenon.

It's inevitable ! A change in behavior leads to adapting to a new situation, which disappears as soon as the old conditions return.
This theme has already been addressed in another subject, so I will not answer it, your answer especially underlines your desire to believe in a vegan past, apart from the facts are very different.

Who mentioned vegan? and what facts? those selected by individuals who above all defend their own mode of consumption. It is like considering that nuclear power is a fact that would be self-justified by the very fact of its existence, but it is self-justified only among its supporters and those who make a living from it.
It is for this reason that Japan is largely focused on fishing.

Like all countries with odds which, indeed, represents a possible food source. but that does not change anything in comparative anatomy -phisiology which underlines its inadequacy ... and I do not even invoke dietetics.
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