CO2: the scandal of carbon scholarships

[Philippe Schutt]

What joins my opinion that the earth should belong to the states, only the fruits of the human activity should be able to belong to the private ones. Private actors should only be able to rent land through fixed-term contracts.

it is already the case in France!

the basement is still in the state: not the owner of the land

yes for the basement, which has only rarely value. But the surface almost always has it, if only as a living space. This should only be praised. Moreover this rental could replace local taxes.
The 2eme point is the notion of fixed duration.

[dede2002]

In land grabbing contracts, the lease term is usually 99 years.

Contracts concluded between the State and big companies. those who occupy and care for the soil for generations have to adapt!

Quote concerning the draft article cited above:
"there are not enough herbs for our animals, we are
obliged to take them very far. It's a
big problem but we hope that when
the trees will have grown, we can at least
use wood »
Nobody seems to know that Mada
Woodlands already has a government agreement
central authority that allows it to cut the trees they
have planted when they will be ready to produce
timber for export to Norway. "

http://terresmalgaches.info/IMG/pdf/Rap ... r_2013.pdf

below a more human example of use of carbon credits:

http://www.mediaterre.org/afrique/actu, ... 55706.html

[Philippe Schutt]

yes, but I do not see any anomaly that the wood comes back to those who planted and maintained the trees.

[dede2002]

Who?
Those who have soiled their hands in the earth, or those who invest (launder) CO2 money?

[Philippe Schutt]

There are always white-collar and black or brown collar ...
That's another debate, but I think it's inevitable, human nature being what it is.

But another question puzzles me:
When we cut this wood for burning, the CO2 will be emitted back into the atmosphere, so we will not have anything stored. Will the company that sold its carbon credits have to buy them back?

[dede2002]

It's a good question!

We say that the wood heats twice, we say that the CO2 pollutes twice ...
In addition it will transport this wood around the world.

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To optimize transport, we could make pellets on the spot, with solar energy (to cash some additional carbon credits) ...?

[chatelot16]

anyway we already burn oil that crosses the world ... if instead of transporting oil transport wood it is not worse

but there is better to do than to transport the wood: we can make synthetic fuel or wood grows, and avoid consuming oil where there is wood that grows well

where the wood grows the faster there is a lot of sun: so the synthesis fuel manufacturing plants will be mixed: biomass to make carbon, and solar to make hydrogen and energy processing

[dede2002]

Indeed, transporting wood is less dangerous than oil, oil spills, but it will produce 2 or 3 times more CO2 given the energy density.

Amha if these giant "carbon offset" projects take place in the south, it is more related to the cost of labor (and land) than to the sun ...

A quote from the report on land grabbing, concerning another project of energy monoculture:*

"A person's salary for a month does not even allow
not to buy a zebu. That's why there is no
many people from our village who are working
for them, wages are not enough to live.
Only children and adolescents from the village
work, but adults do not go because
the salary is not enough.
"

How much would it cost to cultivate tens of thousands of hectares in France?

At the same time, there is an attempt to blame the inhabitants who traditionally use wood as the main energy, and the zebus as tractors, whereas they could be paid directly carbon credits given their very low fossil energy consumption ...

*
Large-scale monoculture is a problem.
Additional "energy" crops in villages and families would be less harmful, both socially and econologically ...

[chatelot16]

the energetic monoculture is interesting where it does not currently grow anything

with climate change there are surfaces to be gained as well cold side as hot side

hot side there are desert or no food crop exists: it would be possible to build mixed trick: solar collector giving shade to make possible culture, energy or food

On the cold side, the current warming makes cultivable new areas that nature will be slow enough to colonize since plants naturally present are not necessarily adapted to the new climate: it would be good to cultivate what it takes to enjoy the as soon as possible ... in culture I also understand planting trees making good timber

advantage often forgotten of energy culture: there are places where it is impossible to cultivate because the soil is sterile: only sand or pebble ... and there is other place where there is organic matter which pollutes: junk ... junk piles can serve as soil for energy culture: the problem of being a solution of others

[Ahmed]

Chatelot, I appreciate the extent of your knowledge and, even more, the relevance of your thoughts on mechanics, here and also on another site that we both frequent under other nicknames, however it seems to me that the aspect agricultural is somewhat foreign to you!

I do not believe that the shade of the solar collectors would be sufficient to grow anything in the hot deserts: it would be necessary to set up real and improbable gas factories of more than doubtful interest ...

In cold and warming places, the surrounding vegetation is already adapted and it will need little time to colonize the new contiguous spaces: no need to hope for better.

As for the sterile places, I don't see how you can hope to implant an energetic culture there; if it is sterile, there are good reasons that it remains sterile ...
This is an argument that has been used extensively, eg. for the establishment of miscanthus (in less extreme conditions: we always come back to the same thing, yes these crops are content with mediocre soils and can abstain from any input, but if we want to obtain a yield other than derisory, you have to go through conditions that compete with other cultures, with similar methods ...