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Re: Help for my solar installation




by sicetaitsimple » 26/10/19, 19:07

sicetaitsimple wrote:I understand that the controller is delivered as standard for 12V, and that it is necessary to modify (quadrupling for 48V) the initial settings. As you made these settings?


Complement: if you have the "factory" settings for 12V (ie for example a cut-off of the load at 15V according to the table in the manual), it is obvious that you will never charge anything with a 48V bench. In my opinion to be looked at as a priority, to at least eliminate this hypothesis.
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by ENERC » 26/10/19, 19:33

If the batteries are 150AH as shown in the diagram, in fact it works normally.
I will try to explain why:
- a lead acid battery has a high electrical resistance. If you charge too much current, the voltage rises. The value is equal to the battery voltage plus the voltage due to the load.
- If you charge too fast, the voltage rises quickly to 57V, and the MPPT then believes that the battery has finished its absorption.
- the MPPT then puts the battery in float. And therefore zero current.
As a reminder, the load is like this:
Bulk (up to about 52V) -> Absorption (57V) -> Float (50 V)

The Bulk must be at C / 10 maximum, 15A for a battery of 150AH. 15A in 48V is 720W. Never again if you will destroy the batteries. It's because you send too much current that the batteries dry up.

So set the MPPT to send the maximum 20A in the batteries.

On the hybrid inverter side, the electrical resistance works in the other direction: the voltage at the battery terminals is the no-load voltage minus the loss due to discharge. So if you draw more than C / 5 (30A at 48V -> 1500W, the inverter considers that the battery is completely discharged since it sees its voltage well below 48V).

Conclusion: it works normally for 150AH batteries under 48V.

If you want more power, there are two solutions:
- either batteries much bigger (to feed a house it is necessary between 500AH and 1000AH - thus 4000 with 8000 € - ouch- 1000AH in 48V for plates of cooking and water heater)
- or use an inverter on which the panels are connected: in this case the current goes from the panels to the house without going through the batteries.

The advantage of hybrid inverters is that they take the juice off the grid when there is not enough sun or too much battery power.
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by Matenjo » 26/10/19, 20:28

Thank you for these responses
Regarding the controller it can not stay in factory 12v because it does the automatic adjustment in 48v.
For the second answer and thanks for this explanation
In fact they are gel batteries and not acid. Does this change?
After I have no electric water heater it is a lawn and the hobs.
I thought about the battery telling me that I have the degraded the 4 5 or 4 times and so I thought to invest in 220 200amp ultracel batteries or victron XNUMXamp. Will it be better?

I just changed the connection of the panels (the 200wt because the 300wt are not installed yet) and all put in series as said in the previous messages.
We will see tomorrow because there is more sun.
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by Matenjo » 26/10/19, 20:35

To go back to the second answer
I go up to 72v and almost 5amp between 11h and 13h.
And do you think I should connect the panels to the hybrid inverter? And must I settings this one then?

Tomorrow when the sun will be here I will tell you what is happening with my change of wiring panels that I did, if it's better or not.

In any case thank you very much to all those who do their best to solve my problem. .
Ce forum is great i would miss den talking around me.
Thanks again and good evening to all.
See you tomorrow
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by GuyGadebois » 26/10/19, 20:35

Matenjo wrote:After I have no electric water heater it is a lawn and the hobs.

I did not know any lawn machines. We learn every day! : Mrgreen:
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by Matenjo » 26/10/19, 21:17

Lol
I did not pay attention with the intuitive writing
I meant to gas
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by sicetaitsimple » 26/10/19, 21:30

Matenjo wrote:Thank you for these responses
Regarding the controller it can not stay in factory 12v because it does the automatic adjustment in 48v.


It's perfect, it's just not what is written in the record, at least the one I found on the net and put in link, and that seems to match! But no problem for me, good luck for the future!
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by izentrop » 26/10/19, 22:49

Especially do not put in series. The 200 W are not in 12 V but 24 with a max to 32.6 v and limit the load to 15 A.
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by Matenjo » 27/10/19, 06:22

Hello everyone
I already put the 200wt in series yesterday, why not put them in series?
I understand more ??
The sun has not yet risen, must we remodify the connection?
What is the risk of having them put in series?
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Re: Help for my solar installation




by Matenjo » 27/10/19, 06:28

And also how to limit the load to 15amp?
I have never seen even this summer in full sun over 5amp on my regulator. So how is it doing?
And especially that it may be that I will have the fact of having changed the connections and have everything in series?
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