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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 09/11/21, 23:19

sicetaitsimple wrote:
GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:[
It is true that with no planned plant closures and the creation of 6 EPRs, the nuclear share can only decrease.


We are talking about 2035, dear friend ..... By then, things will happen. Maybe you even replaced your gas car with an electric car?

Yes, especially if we base ourselves on the only example we have, Flamanville *, which is a monumental mess, we say to ourselves that by the time we build and operate 6 EPRs for a cost that would be included between 46 and 50 billion euros, water will be dispensed with under the bridges. If it takes it's just one more Macron-bullshit. : Lol:

* Started in 2007, initially planned for 2012, is planned for 2023. In July 2020 the Court of Auditors estimates the additional cost at 19,1 billion euros ...
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by sen-no-sen » 09/11/21, 23:34

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sen-no-sen wrote:In fact this news is very symptomatic of the degree of amateurism of our government.The candidate Macron of 2017 was committed in the continuity of Holland to reduce the share of nuclear power to 50%.

Didn't I understand that this announcement called into question a target of +/- 50% of nuclear production by 2035?


It is about a speech of politician of “right” (left-right hybrid), it is necessary at the same time to please an anti-nuclear electorate rather on the left while avoiding the fears raised by a fall of the nuclear sector among the people of law.
Things are therefore never said clearly, but we can easily read between the lines via the commitments to reduce GHGs from the cop26 and the need to maintain a minimum of energy sovereignty in times of crisis.
Similarly, in the context of a significant increase in our electrical power (to replace a share of fossils) we could very well have 50% nuclear and 50% RE, while having a net installed nuclear power greater than the current power.


A first track here:



Paris, the 28 May 2021

JOINT STATEMENT BY THE MINISTERS OF ENERGY OF THE UNITED STATES AND FRANCE ON
ENERGY TECHNOLOGY AND POLITICAL RESOLUTION

The following is the text of a joint statement by the Ministries of Energy of the Governments
from France and the United States of America.

Minister Barbara Pompili of the French Ministry for the Ecological Transition and Secretary Jennifer
Granholm of the US Department of Energy today issued a joint statement.

France and the United States share common objectives and a common will to fight
against climate change and to work towards achieving the ambitious objective set by the
Paris. Our ministries, the French Ministry of Ecological Transition and the US Ministry of
Energy, take urgent action to mitigate the current climate crisis by leveraging research
and cutting-edge science to dramatically accelerate the deployment of technologies
energies, disruptive innovations and policies that will provide a cleaner, more secure future
and more prosperous.

We are united by a common ambition on both sides of the Atlantic: to achieve
net carbon emissions zero by 2050. Achieving this common goal will require
using all the emission-free technologies currently in existence at our disposal while
simultaneously intensifying research, development and deployment through a series of
energy sources and zero emission systems. Ensure that these energy systems are
efficient and reliable, integrating larger parts of renewable energies coupled with
nuclear energy,
which today represents an important part of electricity production
in our two countries, will be crucial to accelerate energy transitions.
Reach this goal
pool will also require a wide variety of favorable financing conditions in
the full range of zero emission energy sources and systems.

In this regard, France and the United States undertake to work together on the new
technologies and the energy transition underway in order to contribute significantly to
zero carbon production solutions. Low-carbon and innovative electricity systems, which
may include innovative nuclear energy technologies or new designs, such
that of small modular reactors, micro and other advanced reactors,
will contribute to the expansion
renewable energies, will support rural electrification, will produce hydrogen for
decarbonizing transport and other energy sectors, will help provide clean drinking water to
water-scarce regions and will support a range of cleaner industrial applications.




We are committed to transforming the threat posed by climate change into a
opportunity to revitalize the energy sector and launch industries and technologies
clean. Our ministries and industries innovate in energy technologies
low-carbon technologies in many sectors, including long-term storage,
advanced transportation, smart energy systems, carbon use and storage and
advanced nuclear.

All contribute significantly to zero carbon production solutions and we are
firmly believe that the transition to clean energy will boost jobs in the long term
well-paid workers who hire locally, employ a diverse workforce and stimulate
entire communities.

Minister Pompili states that; "In order to achieve the ambitious objective set by the Paris Agreement and
effectively tackle the issue of climate change, the main economies
global organizations must combine their strengths and technological assets to bring
innovative zero carbon solutions. With the United States, we intend to build momentum
international on these aspects in the perspective of the next COP26. "

Secretary Granholm says that; “As leading innovators, the United States and
France are stepping up their actions towards an irreversible path towards a net zero economy by 2050.
We urgently need to provide innovative solutions that can be deployed in the
around the world, by leveraging all of our zero-emission production technologies, such as
nuclear, renewable energies and carbon capture, use and storage.


https://fissionliquide.files.wordpress.com/2021/06/2021-05-28-declaration-fr-us-2.pdf
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by sicetaitsimple » 10/11/21, 00:28

sen-no-sen wrote:Similarly, in the context of a significant increase in our electrical power (to replace a share of fossils) we could very well have 50% nuclear and 50% RE, while having a net installed nuclear power greater than the current power.
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Yes. And?
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by sen-no-sen » 10/11/21, 09:37

sicetaitsimple wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:Similarly, in the context of a significant increase in our electrical power (to replace a share of fossils) we could very well have 50% nuclear and 50% RE, while having a net installed nuclear power greater than the current power.
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Yes. And?


As a reminder, the promise of a 50% reduction in nuclear electricity was made following the Fukushima disaster ... Except here it is rather 50% nuclear in a final electrical energy balance that will increase (for reminder currently electricity represents 25% of energy in the final French energy balance). To limit the use of fossil energy there is a risk of going from 25 to probably 35 or even 40%, a fortiori with the commitments of the COP26 ... which means an installed nuclear power greater than that of the original.
But of course all this is never made explicit in this way! : Lol:
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by sicetaitsimple » 10/11/21, 13:18

sen-no-sen wrote:As a reminder, the promise of a 50% reduction in nuclear electricity was made following the Fukushima disaster ... Except here it is rather 50% nuclear in a final electrical energy balance that will increase (for reminder currently electricity represents 25% of energy in the final French energy balance). To limit the use of fossil energy there is a risk of going from 25 to probably 35 or even 40%, a fortiori with the commitments of the COP26 ... which means an installed nuclear power greater than that of the original.
But of course all this is never made explicit in this way! : Lol:


That's right, but the promise of F. Hollande's bistro to attract a few puillèmes of% of green votes with "50%" (and that was for 2025, need we remind you?) has never been made explicit at all!
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by moinsdewatt » 11/11/21, 22:31

Erdogan's Turkey is considering the continuation of the nuclear program after Akkuyu:

Turkish President Erdoğan looks to further new nuclear
10 November 2021

Turkey plans to build more nuclear power plants after it completes Akkuyu, the country's president said yesterday. “After Akkuyu nuclear power plant, we will swiftly begin preparations for our second and third power plants,” Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said. Akkuyu is expected to generate its first electricity in 2023.

Erdoğan's comments were reported in the Daily Sabah newspaper and indicate his satisfaction with the progress of the Akkuyu project, at which three VVER-1200 pressurized water reactors are under construction, with a fourth at the groundwork stage.

Akkuyu 1 is slated to begin operation in 2023 and the entire plant should be complete by 2026. At that time it should provide about 27.5 TWh per year, equal to about 9% of the country's electricity. Repeating this two more times would take Turkey to around 27% nuclear power, which is well beyond the 18% average of Turkey's fellow OECD countries.

Turkey's ambitions for nuclear energy date back to the 1970s, when Akkuyu was first earmarked for a power plant. That plan did not deliver, and neither did two subsequent ones, but the country's nuclear program was successfully launched by Erdoğan in around 2006. At that time two further sites were proposed for nuclear development: Sinop, which is central on Turkey's Black Sea coast, and Ignaeda, which is on the Black Sea in the European part of Turkey.

Various plans have been discussed for the two proposed sites. Four Atmea1 units by a joint venture of Framatome and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries were discussed for Sinop and an intergovernmental agreement was signed with Japan giving it "exclusive negotiating rights to build a nuclear power plant." For Ignaeda there was discussion with Westinghouse and China's State Nuclear Power Technology Corporation (SNPTC) regarding AP1000s and SNPTC's development of them, the CAP1400.

Among other vendor options open to Turkey would also be the possibility of expanded cooperation with Russia's Rosatom. Erdoğan said, "We spoke to [Russian President] Vladimir Putin about building two more nuclear plants, besides Akkuyu. He agreed to work on the issue." The two leaders met on 29 September.

Erdoğan's reported comments concluded: "It is impossible for those who have the slightest sensitivity in their hearts about the economic independence of Turkey and the well-being of the Turkish nation to oppose nuclear energy."

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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 20/11/21, 14:19

And Macron to announce the additional construction of six of these crap whose experts are still wondering how "we" are going to finance them ... Thank you the megalomaniac nuclear lobby, thank you "mystery president"!
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by Obamot » 20/11/21, 14:51

There is no known material that can withstand the technico-atomic constraints of an EPR for a long time ... According to the Russians who know about it since they have manufactured metals and special materials to cope with it. Without success...

On the other hand, in thermodynamic solar we already have everything we need, for storage in basalt (apartment) too.
Why worry about the limitation of the Carnot Cycle?
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 20/11/21, 14:54

Obamot wrote:There is no known material that can withstand the technico-atomic constraints of an EPR for a long time ...

Yes, but in France, not only do we believe in it despite the billions screwed up, but in addition, we oversize !!! Heaps of cons !!! : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:
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by sicetaitsimple » 20/11/21, 15:17

Obamot wrote:There is no known material that can withstand the technico-atomic constraints of an EPR for a long time ... According to the Russians who know about it since they have manufactured metals and special materials to cope with it. Without success...

On the other hand, in thermodynamic solar we already have everything we need, for storage in basalt (apartment) too.
Why worry about the limitation of the Carnot Cycle?


Ah good? Source for the Russians?
Note that in thermodynamic solar, the materials and components are much more stressed than on an EPR which operates continuously at around 300 ° C.
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