Vegetable garden of the (super) lazy in the 04 (800m)

[Moindreffor]

you will have more to do wall simply placed on the ground and buried wall and you will be at the top of the chassis

Exactly your burial of the walls in the earth, how much is it?

I think to do between 15 and 20 cm

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

I went for a ride out of curiosity

Outside -2.3
Double partition 3.5 hay (3.4 on the picture but I took a little slow to take it ... and in 20 second you lose a tenth)
Single partition chassis 0.6

Uh I doubt a little ... we will see later in the night and especially tomorrow morning.

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[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

you will have more to do wall simply placed on the ground and buried wall and you will be at the top of the chassis

Exactly your burial of the walls in the earth, how much is it?

I think to do between 15 and 20 cm

Oh yes anyway...

But why so much?
10 that's not enough?

So it makes you walls of 40cm about that is with walls above ground 20cm?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

23h40 before going to sleep

outside temperature -4.4 °
single partition chassis -1.1 °
frame double wall insulation hay + 0.8 °

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[Did67]

In borderline conditions, due to the situation like at home, or the "bad years" (which we will not be able to anticipate, but hey, April 21, 2017, - 6,5 ° at home in the greenhouse), this difference may be sufficient for "it passes"!

You can still play with nocturnal radiation: unroll a thin insulator after sunset, and this should add a few degrees more, as the night goes on (by largely blocking the radiation and "turning" it over towards the sky. frame). Because the film which lets visible and invisible radiations pass by day, unfortunately also lets pass radiations (invisible) at night. Thin reflective insulation, like a survival blanket, sends them back ...

[Moindreffor]

Exactly your burial of the walls in the earth, how much is it?

I think to do between 15 and 20 cm

Oh yes anyway...

But why so much?
10 that's not enough?

So it makes you walls of 40cm about that is with walls above ground 20cm?

yes we will be in these areas, with a slight slope, so maybe 35-45 or 45-50 to follow

[Moindreffor]

23h40 before going to sleep

outside temperature -4.4 °
single partition chassis -1.1 °
frame double wall insulation hay + 0.8 °

did you expect that?
after seeing if burying the partition brings something (so do not worry too much for nothing ) but I think that burying could also play a role of slug barrier, which can also be of interest (Slugs bury themselves, but how much?)
and actually an insulation over the evening could only improve things

at the time of my grandfather, it seems to me that we used jute, to cover or blanch, it was a very used material to make bags, or to pack the hay to go up to the attic

if all of its improvements, could do without the heating cord that uses Didier, (although it is not huge) it would rather not bad

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

In borderline conditions, due to the situation like at home, or the "bad years" (which we will not be able to anticipate, but hey, April 21, 2017, - 6,5 ° at home in the greenhouse), this difference may be sufficient for "it passes"!

You can still play with nocturnal radiation: unroll a thin insulator after sunset, and this should add a few degrees more, as the night goes on (by largely blocking the radiation and "turning" it over towards the sky. frame). Because the film which lets visible and invisible radiations pass by day, unfortunately also lets pass radiations (invisible) at night. Thin reflective insulation, like a survival blanket, sends them back ...

Yes, I saw that at your place.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
by largely blocking the radiation and "returning" it to the frame

I'm trying to translate
Earth stores radiation during the day
Then returns them at night
So it's a heat loss
The survival blanket keeps them trapped
This is it?

This morning's readings
-7.6 outside
- 3.9 single partition chassis
- 2.8 chassis double partition insulation hay

It can be seen that the gap is narrowing between the two chassis but that it remains slightly to the advantage of the hay insulation ...

To see how you say above if the extra work for construction justifies what feels like 1 ° difference in the end ...

This said anecdotal degree for most (even a little for me) is crucial in the head of agris I know to have often discussed with them who are measuring temperatures almost every 50cm (height).

The arbo (apples for example) interested in the one between 1m50 and 2m
The market gardener (strawberries) at 15cm

I will still take measurements.

I'm also thinking about strengthening the cover, so your idea comes in handy.

The easy test will be either
1. to make a mobile "doormat" in hay
2. to make a P30 mobile "doormat" with a survival blanket.

3. to make a mobile "doormat" in P30
4.- to modify the existing fixed covers by reinforcing them very largely in P30


The problem with 1, 2 and 3 solutions is .... the job.

Indeed during the periods when one needs this protection against the cold, the temperatures are still largely negative when the part to the work.
Which induces to leave either a hay mat (which does not let the light through) or a cover of survival in full sun, in this case I do not know what would be the effect on the shoots.

Ideally it would take a material that prevents the radiation from coming out of the chŝasis at night and lets it come back in the day ....
Does this exist?

[Moindreffor]

I'm trying to translate
Earth stores radiation during the day
Then returns them at night
So it's a heat loss
The survival blanket keeps them trapped
This is it?

yes that's what we call the greenhouse effect , the addition of the insulating layer in the evening reinforces the imprisonment of radiation, attention, it is better to return the radiation than to use to heat a blanket, hence the use of a modern insulating material, survival blanket , reflective material that is placed between the wall and the radiators for example (it sells in roll, I used)

This morning's readings
-7.6 outside
- 3.9 single partition chassis
- 2.8 chassis double partition insulation hay

It can be seen that the gap is narrowing between the two chassis but that it remains slightly to the advantage of the hay insulation ...

as say before, see if by burying you do not win a little something, to not get too tired you can instead dig 20 add to 30 cm of dirt outside tale walls

Indeed during the periods when one needs this protection against the cold, the temperatures are still largely negative when the part to the work.
Which induces to leave either a hay mat (which does not let the light through) or a cover of survival in full sun, in this case I do not know what would be the effect on the shoots.
Ideally it would take a material that prevents the radiation from coming out of the chŝasis at night and lets it come back in the day ....
Does this exist?

hence the important role of the wife who did not work outside the time of our elders, she could withdraw this protection

the cover of survival will only have the effect of isolating your frame of the warming and the light if you leave it the day, so ...

the ideal material must exist, but the price must explode, so no more use to make primeurs in this context, as much buy the plants or vegetables

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

23h40 before going to sleep

outside temperature -4.4 °
single partition chassis -1.1 °
frame double wall insulation hay + 0.8 °

did you expect that?
after seeing if burying the partition brings something (so do not worry too much for nothing ) but I think that burying could also play a role of slug barrier, which can also be of interest (Slugs bury themselves, but how much?)
and actually an insulation over the evening could only improve things

if all of its improvements, could do without the heating cord that uses Didier, (although it is not huge) it would rather not bad

My faith I was expecting a gain.
But as you can see in the end (and it is there that we must judge the usefulness of the thing) the difference is of the order of 1 ° (0.9 exactly at the time of my statement) so it's thin but can be crucial.

You know we found slugs in the kitchen garden on foot more than 1m high .... then our small walls of 20cm .... I'm afraid they do not care.

Remember the photo of the slug on top of one of my bottles.

ON THE OTHER HAND

A little burial PLUS a cover ADAPTED and "impassable" by these charming critters, there I am more optimistic.