Jean Louis Naudin and U-generator Richard Vialle

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by Tagor » 25/09/12, 13:05

Obelix wrote:For once a researcher worthy of the name agrees to get off his pedestal and to speak in French comprehensively the DCA present on the site opens fire without any warning.


there are a lot of DCAs that operate continuously on this site ...

this is why most often I abstain !!

but the more time passes, the more I wonder about the links
(if any) from this site with:

- ecology ???
- the economy ???

quartz tried to scare the big trolls ...
but there are several hundred that remain on the lookout
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by dedeleco » 25/09/12, 13:49

Too many inconsistencies and inaccuracies:
Naudin has a different single wire assembly instead of telephone wire wound against twisted double wire without indicating the output connections of these 4 ends, which can change everything (assembly used for 70 years in HF and VHF for broadband transformers, even in our cell phones !!

False phrade
The resistance of the wires increases with frequency; this effect decreases with the diameter of the wires: smaller wires, less resistance due to the skin effect.

because without care by mixing resistance and surface impedance, without explaining the need to multiply the number of fine Litz wires, etc ... because the resistance of a single wire increases by decreasing its diameter at any fixed frequency !!


Finally :

When Swiss sponsors contacted Richard VIALLE, he had this self-generating device. He was invited to come to Switzerland with his self-generating bar and his function generator to power it. They organized a measurement of the input power and the output power by a person working at the Ecole Polytechnique de Lausanne in Switzerland, in the section of physical measurements.

There, a physicist, specialist in sound and waves used a powerful oscilloscope and a metal resistance of 1 ohm to measure the voltage across the input winding of the auto generator and across the resistance that had been put in series . With the resistance in series he determined the current, and he measured the cosine of the phase shift angle. An internal calculation function of the oscilloscope gave power with this data.

During this time the autogenerator delivered at output 0,16 Watts on a 4V and 40mA bulb. The measurement performed gave an input consumption of 0,000001 Watt = 10-6 Watt, that is: COP = 160.

Then the mass of the generator was disconnected from the half-bar, which means that the half-bar remained supplied by the only "hot spot" leaving the function generator. So we had as a loss only the antenna effect, radiation, even more the effect of resistive skin. So even less as a starter. The bulb lit a little more dimly, but remained clearly lit.

The person doing the measurement exclaimed "there is nothing at the entrance"

The power consumed at the input was considered to be zero, below the device's measurement threshold. Virtually we could then have given COP = infinite, but obviously that would be false because there are losses by radiation, even if they are minimal. In any case, the COP was therefore even larger than before. And this demonstrates in passing that, as indicated, the antenna produced by the coil is totally unsuitable for radiating a significant fraction of the input power; because it is not made for that.

This measurement was made with the function generator of Richard VIALLE limited in frequency between 25Mhz and 27MHz.



is full of errors in coarse measurements, because around 25MHz, short waves, the smallest piece of wire makes a beautiful antenna which gives a nice power very easily underestimated, as you can see with a piece of wire and a little bit of impedance matching, as a TV antenna.

The HF power measurement must be very serious, because very easy to crash, and to announce astronomical COPs, which if very real can quickly be proven by heating your house or a small calorimeter, model of a house, with a 3MHz self-oscillating generator with a single transistor (efficiency 50% to 80%), powered by charged supercapacitor (low capacity of a few seconds) , which with a crazy COP of 100 to 160000, should never discharge and heat in perpetuity !!

This type of crazy COP measurement is the only one without errors !!

And we must be able to heat our buttocks in perpetuity without an energy source, with a COP = 160000 as astronomical !!

Naudin has never done this type of calorimetric manipulation in more than 10 years .

Rossi claims to do it, but secretly, not very verifiable and he was not using it at home, to heat himself last winter with KW !!!

What is told is incoherent, even delusional, in total contradiction with what makes all our electronic devices, telephones and TV work, sold in billions of copies, for example !!

When we see VIALLE unable to make an auto-oscillator (a few €, a transistor, coil and some capacitors and a diode, the kind that I have made by the dozen formerly for other purposes) to have the right frequency, with its sales pitch inconsistent, we have no confidence !!!

Raz the bowl of waking dreams.

In response to janic, this is an example of how we separate the true from the false, by the experience and the consistency of these experiences.

And if you continue to think that it is proven, you can send me this functional assembly with auto oscillator of a few tens of € (considering the price of copper), to heat my buttocks in perpetuity without energy source, with a COP = 160000 as astronomical !!

I will pay you 1000 € and therefore a financial COP of more than 10, if my buttocks are very hot !!
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by quartz » 25/09/12, 14:51

Obelix You fucked up, you had to continue to complete it on this project!
you can see that the mechanism is the same whatever the source!
this site has a big need for credibility for a commercial purpose.

there is a good post regarding the regulation of forums right here and there we are right in it!
This site has become like futura science or the scientific spirit has completely disappeared!
Here we do not ask questions we apply ready-made recipes.
that's good, it takes, so let's leave these people, very good in their specialty.
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by dedeleco » 25/09/12, 15:10

quartz wrote:Obelix You fucked up, you had to continue to complete it on this project!
you can see that the mechanism is the same whatever the source!
this site has a big need for credibility for a commercial purpose.

there is a good post regarding the regulation of forums right here and there we are right in it!
This site has become like futura science or the scientific spirit has completely disappeared!
Here we do not ask questions we apply ready-made recipes.
that's good, it takes, so let's leave these people, very good in their specialty.


You derail while dreaming !!

The scientific method is first of all the real experience, reproducible by everyone constantly. , and everything you say with a COP = 160000, must work immediately in a simple auto-oscillator, to heat in perpetuity without any external source of energy, by heating my buttocks, very good credible thermometer, as much as any other .
The HF measurements are not credible and an absurd waste of time, given the rudimentary simplicity of an autoscillator, with an efficiency better than 50% !!!

And then the financial COP will be more than 160000 !!!
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by quartz » 25/09/12, 15:18

We are in the infancy of the concept, will you give us a little time?
Naudin with all the faults he has and I know he has them,
at least the merit of getting your hands dirty!
I don't think you can heat up for free tomorrow!
but at least if we manage to self-power a 15 watt lamp it's a good start right?
We are not making a revolution, it is not the goal,
but at least we are trying to evolve!
and in addition with our own means we don't cost you money my boy!
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by dedeleco » 25/09/12, 15:30

quartz wrote:We are in the infancy of the concept, will you give us a little time?
Naudin with all the faults he has and I know he has them,
at least the merit of getting your hands dirty!
I don't think you can heat up for free tomorrow!
but at least if we manage to self-power a 15 watt lamp it's a good start right?
We are not making a revolution, it is not the goal,
but at least we are trying to evolve!
and in addition with our own means we don't cost you money my boy!


This sentence shows an absence of knowledge in basic electronics.

What you are talking about with this device, however true it may be, is a revolution, which works immediately for a few €, in self-oscillator from a COP of more than 2, even on a 0,1W lamp or a 0,01W LED !!!

And then the free heating is immediate in a few hours !!!

One hour to make an auto oscillator from 10 to 100W !!!
To sting on lovers of Short Waves !!!

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You keep coming out of incoherent statements, full of dreams !!
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by quartz » 25/09/12, 15:36

Yes yes of course, will heat your house with an excess of 10 watt!
you will need some bousins ​​!!
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by elephant » 25/09/12, 16:00

PAX ... please.

I didn't think I would start such a storm .....

Thanks to those who took the time to explore the links provided by Naudin.
The text quoted by deledeco hardly convinces me and I will end up joining him who demanded calorimeter measurements for the replications of Tariel Kapanadze's gadget.

The photos of lighted lamps are very unconvincing, I think I demonstrated it with a photo during the Kapanadze affair.

Has anyone seen (reference please) serious measures, for example taken with an ammeter in series on the power of the HF generator?

Quartz, if there are replications that work, please give us references.
This gadget does not seem very difficult to make, but I would not like to waste my time.

Another question: this machine can provide a very satisfactory COP at low power, but is it amplifiable or saturated?
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by dedeleco » 25/09/12, 16:04

Yes yes of course, will heat your house with an excess of 10 watt!
you will need some bousins ​​!!

To prove, even 1mW is enough, with an LED that never goes out without a battery, just on a capacitor, constantly spontaneously recharged !!

And less than a watt is enough to heat the buttocks clearly, or to light the red light on my bike in perpetuity !!!

If you arrive with your simple machine at 1 mW, perpetual, I do not have long, to reach KW, in a few days, the time to buy 10 powerful MOSFETs and some capacities !!

You are inconsistent in thinking that the value of power counts and never making reliable power measurements.
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by quartz » 25/09/12, 16:15

Elephant, things are always complicated here anyway!
In short, only two people managed to get a copy> 1
Vialle himself and Pascuser.
The fact that Naudin is interested in it gives a boost to the project.
Which is very good, like what media men somewhere have good.
I did not personally invest in this project because it would have asked me to leave mine aside,
it is already asking me for a lot of "system" and pecuniary resources.

For the moment we are basically at a surplus limit per generator,
so heating with it is not for tomorrow it remains a laboratory model with an atypical behavior!
And that has no other claims.
the more there is of reproduction in nature the more the new ideas of tests will spring up, we will thus have a system more and more stable and reproducible by whoever wishes to pay for it.
We are in the very early stages, a lot of work remains to be done.
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