The renewable energy hydrogen car: the future?

[phil59]

With LPG, I had several cars, with tanks between 36L and 100L. No particular worries.

it takes a little space, of course, but no problem with that.

[Leo Maximus]

But my municipality had bought an Opel CNG, after 2 years they gave up.

Do you know why ?

No.
The municipal team has totally changed. A priori, they will switch to VE.

[moinsdewatt]

RATP goes hydrogen with Toyota
Tue 09/02/2021 - And of course Air Liquide.
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RATP line 189 users will soon have a nice surprise: they will be able to experiment with a hydrogen bus. The test should last 3 months, the bus was built by CaetanoBus, it uses the same fuel cells as a Toyota Mirai. With 5 hydrogen tanks, its range is 450 km, without any CO2 emissions or toxic pollutants, and refueling, this is the immense advantage over electric propulsion on battery, requires only 9 minutes. It would take several hours if the bus used a battery that gives the same range, and the vehicle would also be considerably heavier, so heavy that it would probably have to reduce its number of passengers ...

The hydrogen will obviously be supplied by the great French specialist in industrial gases, Air Liquide, and with taxis already in circulation in the capital, we dream of Paris becoming a leading city for hydrogen mobility. It's a good start!

https://www.moteurnature.com/30792-la-r ... vec-toyota

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

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International Courier 11/02/2021

[moinsdewatt]

The Grenoble-based company Hydrogen Refueling Solutions raised a total of € 97,3 million

AFP published on 18 Feb 2021

The Grenoble-based company Hydrogen Refueling Solutions (HRS) announced Thursday that it had raised a total of 97,3 million euros when it was listed on the Paris Stock Exchange, the over-allotment option having been fully exercised.

Holding HR, the main shareholder of HRS, sold 501 additional shares at a unit price of 554 euros, ie an amount of 25,30 million euros, specifies a press release from HRS. This sum is in addition to the 12,7 million euros already raised by the company which manufactures and installs hydrogen stations.

Following this transaction, Holding HR holds 74,6% of the capital of HRS. The rest is floating and traded on the Euronext Growth segment of the Paris Stock Exchange, dedicated more specifically to growing SMEs. The funds raised will "enable us to accelerate our development and play a major role in the democratization of hydrogen in transport", recently commented Hassen Rachedi, founder and CEO of the company.

Created in 2004, HRS started out in complex industrial piping and engineering, entering the hydrogen market as an integrator of refueling stations for Air Liquide until 2019. The company, which has 34 employees, has developed a range complete with hydrogen refueling stations usable by all types of fuel cell vehicles.

The group is counting on the accelerated development of hydrogen, in forklifts, heavy goods vehicles, then for construction and passenger cars.

https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... rse-210218

[moinsdewatt]

Faurecia to supply Renault with tanks for hydrogen vehicles

20 Feb 201

The equipment manufacturer Faurecia will provide Renault with tanks intended to equip light commercial vehicles running on hydrogen, one of the technologies promising to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of vehicles, announced the two French companies on Friday.

"A first fleet of light commercial vehicles"
"From the end of 2021, Faurecia will supply the Renault group with hydrogen storage systems for a first fleet of light commercial vehicles", elements that will be produced within Faurecia in Bavans (Doubs), the companies said in a press release. .

From the same source, "depending on volumes, the increase in production will be extended to a new factory dedicated to hydrogen storage systems that Faurecia plans to build in Allenjoie", also in the Doubs.

Hydrogen, which makes it possible to produce electricity via a fuel cell while releasing only water vapor, is considered one of the avenues for reducing greenhouse gas emissions from vehicle fleets .

Very high pressure storage
Already proven in small series by car manufacturers like Toyota and Hyundai, this technology, which has the advantage of eliminating the charging time of electric cars, nevertheless poses new constraints, such as the need to store hydrogen at very high temperatures. pressure (several hundred bars).
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https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/finance/econo ... d=msedgntp

[Ahmed]

Hydrogen represents above all a tremendous breath of fresh air (sic!) For industries and capital in need of opportunities. The European conversion program (that's a word that fits well with its religious connotation) is presented as a windfall of subsidies from which each region of France hopes to benefit by creating the ad hoc structures. Whether this is hype ("properly" speaking!) Does not come into play, since it is good for the economy ...

[sicetaitsimple]

Hydrogen represents above all a tremendous breath of fresh air (sic!) For industries and capital in need of opportunities. The European conversion program (that's a word that fits well with its religious connotation) is presented as a windfall of subsidies from which each region of France hopes to benefit by creating the ad hoc structures. Whether this is hype ("properly" speaking!) Does not come into play, since it is good for the economy ...

Oddly enough, I agree with you. For reasons which at the same time meet but at the same time are very distant.
For me, the production of hydrogen by electrolysis, if hydrogen by electrolysis there must be, must first be targeted at industries that need hydrogen (the chemical molecule) in their processes. Refiners, petrochemical industries in the broad sense, manufacturers of nitrogenous fertilizers, ..
All these industries are supplied with hydrogen by reforming methane (natural gas), so any substitution means less consumption of natural gas. Well, it certainly costs more to do electrolysis than reforming, but on the liter of gasoline or TTC diesel at the pump, it won't make a big difference. And we know how to create a tax on "renewable" energy.
And they are industrialists, capable of managing this over the long term.
On the other hand, I think that there will be a lot of disillusionment among the local communities which rush down this path, with a small station and a few vehicles, as you say for their managers with their eyes shining with subsidies and hopes. that it contributes to their image and their eventual re-election.

[Ahmed]

Oddly enough, I also agree with you and for generally identical reasons (with a few nuances). The few elected officials likely to oppose by nature to these unreasonable projects were taken of course (according to my personal contacts). On the other hand, it is very difficult to criticize a project so glamorous and so easy to "sell"; yet it would be easy to offer a much cheaper, realistic and proven alternative: the trolley ... but go dream with that!

[Bardal]

Hydrogen represents above all a tremendous breath of fresh air (sic!) For industries and capital in need of opportunities. The European conversion program (that's a word that fits well with its religious connotation) is presented as a windfall of subsidies from which each region of France hopes to benefit by creating the ad hoc structures. Whether this is hype ("properly" speaking!) Does not come into play, since it is good for the economy ...

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For me, the production of hydrogen by electrolysis, if hydrogen by electrolysis there must be, must first be targeted at industries that need hydrogen (the chemical molecule) in their processes. Refiners, petrochemical industries in the broad sense, manufacturers of nitrogenous fertilizers, ..
All these industries are supplied with hydrogen by reforming methane (natural gas), so any substitution means less consumption of natural gas. Well, it certainly costs more to do electrolysis than reforming, but on the liter of gasoline or TTC diesel at the pump, it won't make a big difference.
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There is also another very profitable "chemical" use of hydrogen in terms of GHG emissions, it is the substitution of coal in the steel industry (metal ores are practically all oxides and must be reduced); processes using hydrogen are available (and already used industrially) and would prevent nearly 6% of global GHG emissions (more than all heavy transport!) ...