How to set a Windmaster for 600 black?

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by dedeleco » 08/10/12, 22:59

but why would the meter display 80 VA and 0 W?


could be explained by a large inductance which sets the current at 90 ° of the voltage, in the system of use, which then recovers only peasants of real useful real power, and full of VA, current to 90 ° of the tension, following the basic course !!

Do you have to see your editing, use and where do you measure?
Before the three-phase rectifier that debits on what real or after conversion to 50Hz ??

Good luck, in the unknown, without any valid information on the windmaster.
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by Ruthenian » 08/10/12, 23:23

Dedeleco, It's normal, it's the operation of the approved meters Sagem and Actaris.
They do not know how to display below 60-90 Watts.

I have 5 monitoring, they all work the same way.
It is true that an inductive load distorts the display of the VAs a lot, but the conso or the meter output per Watt are correct.
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by dedeleco » 09/10/12, 01:35

Ruthenian wrote:Dedeleco, It's normal, it's the operation of the approved meters Sagem and Actaris.
They do not know how to display below 60-90 Watts.

I have 5 monitoring, they all work the same way.
It is true that an inductive load distorts the display of the VAs a lot, but the conso or the meter output per Watt are correct.



For EDF they can count and summon energy, below power 90W !!

It smells like one-way scam !!!
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by Ruthenian » 09/10/12, 13:11

indeed, it counts but does not display the instantaneous power below 60-90VA. The verification can be done easily enough. But, it may be worth checking if all his customers are not being fooled. I do not tell you then the scandal !!!!
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by coccigro » 10/10/12, 22:12

Good evening,

if the counter increments well below 60-90 Watts, why is it not able to display them? my ammeter gets it right!

I'm coming tonight because I think the day has come (finally) in my mind. everything happens. so far, I have been trying to apply the advice and ideas I have received here (and I thank you for that) without really knowing what I was doing. so I would summarize with simple words, understandable by simple people (like me)

I'm going for it;
to enter a curve in the inverter is to tell him what he should produce according to what he receives.

the inverter-wind generator is exactly like a generator to which a device is connected.
if the group produces 1000W max and we plug a device that consumes 1200W, the group will toil and slow down, see stop.

if I tell my inverter that when it receives 55V, it must have 1A, that is (P = UxI) 55W and that in fact, the wind turbine provides 55V and 0,7A, 38,5W, it will suffer so be braked and slow down.
it was actually easier to reason in Watts than in A and I.
it is therefore logical to measure the V and A is actually provided by the wind turbine and to enter a curve closest to reality so as to draw maximum current without braking.

tell me if I'm right ...

I have another question: how does the synchronization work?

how can there be two sources of current at the same time without any disjunction?

good night.
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by Ruthenian » 10/10/12, 23:09

The electronic schema of the synchronization is simple, you can find it by searching for scheme grid tie inverter.
In fact, the system sits on the sinusoid at the right frequency. Thus, the equipment does not risk anything.

For resistance to rotation, that's it.
By the way, I completely change my settings. I let the machine accelerate according to these parameters:
From memory:
0 32 0,0
1 40 0,0
2 50 0,2
3 60 3,0
4 65 8,4 Automatic

I realized when doing like that, the wind turbine was quickly picking up speed.

For the moment my instant readings give:
Wind Gust km / h Peak power W

21 51
23.4 61
30.6 102


Still no wind, it is the flat calm waiting for the gale of Wednesday-Thursday next.
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by coccigro » 11/10/12, 21:26

Good evening,

I unfortunately still have no anemometer to compare.

ruthene, is a return of values ​​in amp so low, you do not risk to deprive you of the weakest production but also the most common? when my inverter starts at 28V, the ammeter output shows about 0,250 A in 230V. Be careful, it's not about the power that can be accessed with the program, but about the current that goes into the network.

here too, there is still too little wind to measure higher. but for now, it seems like I'm in the nails with 55V and 1A.

good night.
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by Ruthenian » 11/10/12, 22:08

coccigro wrote: when my inverter starts at 28V, the ammeter output shows about 0,250 A in 230V.


Good evening, you are almost in adequacy with my meter Sagem.

This consumption is not normal, because it is actually a consumption.

Can you tell me where you bought it (in MP if you wish)?
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by coccigro » 13/10/12, 22:48

Good evening,

sorry ruthene, I bought my box on the internet a few years ago and I can not find on which site. I recovered the counter in it. I continue to search.

I managed to take readings for low voltages and for some a little higher. but this one is more difficult because they are done on raffales and thus the values ​​change quickly.
That's what happens;

30V 0.2A
35V 0.350A
40V 0.450A
45V 0.600A
50V 0.700A
55V 0.850A
60V 1.2A
65V 1.6A
70V 2.2A

so for my new curve, I did;

25V 00A
55V 0.9A
75V 2.5A
85V 4A
90V 6.1A

I test it as soon as possible.

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by Ruthenian » 13/10/12, 23:04

Good evening coccigro,

I was talking about the windmaster.

For the curves, I handed Hermann's:

http://www.mahnecke.de/Black300-Forum/t ... 6&thema=15

He confirmed these values. Thanks to him.


……………...........GOES
............ ... 0 ... 27 ... 0,0
................ 1 ... 45 ... 1,3
................ 2 ... 55 ... 3,0
................ 3 ... 62 ... 5,0
................ 4 ... 68 ... 8,0 (automatisch)

To follow then.

Still no wind here:

Pcrete Point at 70W.

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